Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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pjharrison

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If He didn't then how could this be true?:

Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested.
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Jesus in the flesh has a soul, so he could have sinned if he wanted too, but he chose not too. So I don't think he had a sinful nature. He had to of been able to have been tempted and not give in, in order to pay the ransom for the human soul. If he would have had a sinful nature and fallen just as Adam did, he wouldn't have been able to pay the ransom, (his life).
 
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Dino246 said:
Could you explain how you come to this conclusion? Adam's sin brought death into the world; that affected every living thing. Jesus came in the flesh into the fallen world, but He did not inherit the sin nature that Adam had introduced. The sin nature is inherent to humanity through Adam's sin. The external effects of sin, which include death, still affected Jesus, even though He was without sin - in act or nature.
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Thanks for varifying what i said earlier :)
 
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pjharrison said:
Jesus in the flesh has a soul, so he could have sinned if he wanted too, but he chose not too. So I don't think he had a sinful nature. He had to of been able to have been tempted and not give in, in order to pay the ransom for the human soul. If he would have had a sinful nature and fallen just as Adam did, he wouldn't have been able to pay the ransom, (his life).
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Having the sinful nature does not mean Jesus had to give into it and sin.
 
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pjharrison said:
Jesus in the flesh has a soul, so he could have sinned if he wanted too, but he chose not too. So I don't think he had a sinful nature. He had to of been able to have been tempted and not give in, in order to pay the ransom for the human soul. If he would have had a sinful nature and fallen just as Adam did, he wouldn't have been able to pay the ransom, (his life).
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Sinless nature can still be tempted...Jesus was tempted to make bread out of stones..go to the highest peak..jump off and have angels rescue him..he was tempted at His weakest moments on the things he needed the most..how often does that hold true of us? Satan doesnt waste any "arrows"..he waits until youre weak and goesbin for the "kill shot"
 
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Dino246 said:
Could you explain how you come to this conclusion? Adam's sin brought death into the world; that affected every living thing. Jesus came in the flesh into the fallen world, but He did not inherit the sin nature that Adam had introduced. The sin nature is inherent to humanity through Adam's sin. The external effects of sin, which include death, still affected Jesus, even though He was without sin - in act or nature.
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I came to that conclusion because Jesus' human nature gave way for Him to physically die.
 
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jaybird88

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Then He wouldn't have been "like us in every way". I think He had that uphill battle but He mastered it and never sinned. Therefore He knows what we go through.
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but according to the doctrine He was not like us in every way.
 
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shrume said:
I do not believe there is a valid reason for saying that. Adam did not have a sin nature before he disobeyed God. He was tempted, and sinned.
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But Adam was made from dust not born from a woman. You are comparing apples to oranges.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Having the sinful nature does not mean Jesus had to give into it and sin.
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But then he could not have been the Savior.

If all it took was sacrificing someone who had never sinned, why wouldn't God have sacrificed an infant? Jesus would not have had to be sent.

There is more to having a sin nature than committing sins...

We don't become sinful when we sin the first time, we are sinful because we were born that way.
 
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pjharrison

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DevotiontoBible said:
Having the sinful nature does not mean Jesus had to give into it and sin.
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I wouldn't call it a sinful nature. We have a sinful nature because we sin. Sometimes our thoughts are sinful. Or sometimes we tell a little lie to keep from hurting someones feeling. Because he lived by the spirit, just as Adam did in the beginning. People live by their souls. Believers are learning to live by the spirit, being taken from glory to glory.
 
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shrume

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Those verses don't say babies are damned.
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Can you show a verse that says babies are automatically saved?

And please explain what you think this verse means:

1 Cor 7:
14) For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
 
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shrume said:
But then he could not have been the Savior.

If all it took was sacrificing someone who had never sinned, why wouldn't God have sacrificed an infant? Jesus would not have had to be sent.

There is more to having a sin nature than committing sins...

We don't become sinful when we sin the first time, we are sinful because we were born that way.
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Because any infant is not the incarnate Son of God. But we don't become sinners until we actually sin.
 
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pjharrison said:
I wouldn't call it a sinful nature. We have a sinful nature because we sin. Sometimes our thoughts are sinful. Or sometimes we tell a little lie to keep from hurting someones feeling. Because he lived by the spirit, just as Adam did in the beginning. People live by their souls. Believers are learning to live by the spirit, being taken from glory to glory.
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But that idea is not Biblical. We have a sinful nature because we are descendants of Adam. It is called original sin.
 
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shrume

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DevotiontoBible said:
But Adam was made from dust not born from a woman. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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Why does that matter? Adam sinned, and became sinful, and passed that sinful nature to his progeny (everyone).

Mankind was created in the image of God. When Adam had children:

Gen 5:
3) And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
 
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