Are American Democrats turning to Socialism?

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New York’s 14th congressional primary yielded shocking results when Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez defeated 10-term Democratic Congressman Joe Crowley.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-socialist-midterms-joe-crowley-a8419111.html

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Cortez, a self-described democratic socialist, received almost 60 percent of the vote in
an election the Independent calls “one of the biggest upsets in modern American history.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alexandria-ocasiocortez-democrats-election-new-york-bronx-queens-socialist-midterms-joe-crowley-a8419111.html

Her campaign promises include universal health care, jobs for every American,
and the abolition of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

When asked about socialism, she told Vogue: “It is about direct representation and
people actually having power and stake over their economic and social wellness at the
end of the day. To me, what socialism means is to guarantee a basic level of dignity.”
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An Investor’s Business Daily article pointed out how Cortez’s victory underscores the
fact that the “Democratic Party is no longer a party of moderation, but a party of the
extreme left. And it’s moving ever faster and farther leftward with each election cycle.”
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-turn-socialist/

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The American Culture and Faith Institute conducted a survey suggesting
that 4 in 10 Americans believe they would prefer socialism to capitalism.
https://www.culturefaith.com/americans-favor-capitalism-temoted-by-socialism/

The majority of socialism’s supporters are from the younger generation, with 52
percent of millennials polled saying they would prefer socialism to capitalism.

Since millennials make up over 20 percent of the country’s population, up to
35 million people may want to try out a socialist government.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/01/millennials-overtake-baby-boomers/
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Another article by Investor’s Business Daily stated:

“Sadly, a mere 28 years after the collapse of communism, a new generation of youth
not then born or too young to understand it see that epochal event as ancient history,
irrelevant to their new understanding of the world.

They do not understand that the toppling of communism wasn’t merely a repudiation
of the gerontocratic rulers of communism, but of the very idea of socialism.”
https://www.investors.com/politics/...rn-to-socialism-is-ominous-sign-for-the-party-and-for-the-country/
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A new generation thinks that democratic socialism will be different from communism.
But without the checks and balances of a constitutional republic to limit government
power, socialist regimes always turn tyrannical.

The difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism is the
difference between a mob voting for the seizure of private property and a dictator
—elected by that mob—ordering the seizure of private property.
 

notuptome

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Men are waxing worse and worse as the end draws nears.

Democracy degrades into socialism and socialism degrades into communism. Communism is democracy enforced by the rifle barrel or enforced by oppressive legislative laws.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

prove-all

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The 1998 election of Hugo Chávez as president of Venezuela is a classic example of how
democratic socialism leads to authoritarian socialism. Although Chávez came to power
with the legitimate support of a majority of Venezuelans, he was able to reinvent himself
as an authoritarian dictator once the levers of power were in his hands.

There is truth in the maxim that a government big enough to give you everything
you want is big enough to take away everything you have.

Many Americans believe socialist ideals will solve the nation’s problems. If they
knew the history of Cambodia, China, Cuba, East Germany, Laos, Nicaragua,
Venezuela, Vietnam and Zimbabwe, they would know that democratic socialism
is merely a stepping-stone on the path to authoritarian communism.

Socialism and communism are alike in fundamental ways.
Both say the centralized government, or the public should own
and control production, rather than individual business owners.

Modern proponents of socialism downplay its subversive goals, but a centrally
planned economy cannot be established in the United States until its constitutional
form of government is overthrown.

This is why socialists aim to destroy America’s current system of government
and replace it with another. This strategy can only lead to violent revolution.

America is a nation “conceived in liberty”—like no other nation in history!
For hundreds of years, people from all over the world have come here for
freedom: religious freedom, economic freedom, freedom of opportunity.

“A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand.”


In the 2016 presidential campaign, an open socialist almost won the Democratic
Party nomination! If Americans under the age of 30 were the only ones who voted,
this man would now be president of the United States.

When you look at the leaders in the Democratic Party today, they got their ed-
ucation from universities that were heavily influenced by Communist thinkers.

Former U.S. President Barack Obama was influenced as a youth by Frank Marshall Davis,
a card-carrying Communist Party member, a man who openly supported Joseph Stalin,
and who said the world’s greatest threat was “Anglo-American imperialist domination.”

Mr. Obama wrote in his biography that he attended socialist conferences
and hung out with Marxist professors.

Go ask the average college professor if he is a socialist or a Marxist,
and chances are, he or she will tell you, “Yes, I am.”

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The Communist Party USA ( CPUSA ) is a communist political party in the United
States established in 1919 after a split in the Socialist Party of America .

http://www.cpusa.org/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/communist-party-unites-behind-hillary/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
 

calibob

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OOOOO, The S word, socialism isn't Marxism, it isn't nazis. and it isn't the demoratic party. It's the government bailing out the bankers that squandered all of the money and charging it to the national debt. Money that we have allocated for the poor, hungry, old, uneducated etc. within our society.

That's socialism, it's just in a more palletable, more consarvitive tone. Harley Davidson is moving to Thialand with the tax cuts that WE gave them.
WAKE UP, smell the coffee. If you can come up with a better plan, I'd like to hear it. If not be quiet please as their are grown ups thinking!
 

Odelschwanck

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Of course.

What I am kind of surprised about is us "millenials" still being considered the younger generation. Even the survey starts us at 20, 2 years older than the youngest voters (or 4 since it was 2016).
 

calibob

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do you remember a tidy little war for profit scheme involving a guy called tricky dick? and another we called the secretary of state, Henry kissinger? My generation didn't need to look far to identity antichrists
 
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do you remember a tidy little war for profit scheme involving a guy called tricky dick? and another we called the secretary of state, Henry kissinger? My generation didn't need to look far to identity antichrists
i remember when light bills and water bills were so small few gave them a second thought. now they have been taken over by for profit corporations and half my check goes to paying utilities. i miss social democracy.
 
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get off of the GRID, if you have the 'guts'...
 

longtrekker

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I think the Ocasio-Cortez thing is all a part of the hyper crazy reaction to the Trump election. The dems are falling over themselves like from a slapstick scene out of the Thee Stooges of old. The dust just hasn't settled yet.

If the dems lose the midterms bad it might be a bucket of cold water to the face as they realize Trump just ain't a passing fad and they'll snap out of it to provide actual competition.

Mercy sakes alive if they go haywire full out socialist - Venezuela times 10. I expect Trump will scoop a big majority out of it in 2020 if they do.
 

MichaelOwen

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Venezuela is a prime example of what socialism can do to a country. You think that won't happen here with the U.S. if the Liberals have their way? Socialism, Nazism, facism, communism, all sides of the same coin. Look at Russia, the Slavic unions, look at these places plunged into utter chaos because of...hm.....socialism....The question was Are American Democrats turning to Socialism? The answer is YES
 

gb9

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many of us say 40 and over remember the old soviet union, the berlin wall, the horror stories coming out of west Germany and the soviet block of eastern Europe. we do not want that system.

but, the large block of the 35 and under people who want socialism do not remember these things ( or not born yet ), and the government schools do not rightly teach the horror of what socialism devolves into, they push it as a good thing to those who do not know.
 

gb9

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many of us say 40 and over remember the old soviet union, the berlin wall, the horror stories coming out of west Germany and the soviet block of eastern Europe. we do not want that system.

but, the large block of the 35 and under people who want socialism do not remember these things ( or not born yet ), and the government schools do not rightly teach the horror of what socialism devolves into, they push it as a good thing to those who do not know.
* east Germany
 

craigb9876

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Yes the majority of young people are socialist because we have seen how badly capitilism has failed under the leadership of baby boomers and gen x
 

gb9

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Yes the majority of young people are socialist because we have seen how badly capitilism has failed under the leadership of baby boomers and gen x
what brought about the recession in 2008, that most you grew up and saw your parents struggle, was caused by this- banks had just started giving loans to anyone and everyone. and massive amounts of the loans were defaulted , because the folks who were getting them could not repay them.

I personally had friends who had just had a baby, struggling to pay a $ 300 a month rent, and went to a bank and got a $ 80,000 loan for a small house and an acre of land . ( in 2000). well, guess what , 2 years later, they defaulted the loan.

so after about a decade of bad loans, banks were bleeding out money by the gallon, lots of property sitting around with massive amounts of money still owed, and most could not afford.

so, blame the bankers for their stupidity, don't blame the American systems of how business are supposed to work.
 

prove-all

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While there’s plenty of blame to go around for America’s mortgage meltdown,
one cause that few are talking about is the hazardous lending practices the
federal government actually encouraged throughout the 1990s in order to placate
activists who criticized mortgage lenders for discriminating against minorities.
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/30/business/shamed-by-publicity-banks-stress-minority-mortgages.html

But instead of concentrating on individual instances of credit-worthy minorities being
discriminated against, it enforced sweeping policies designed to arm-twist banks into
making loans available to practically anyone—even those with horrible credit ratings.

“In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending,”
the Times warned toward the end of 1999,

"Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties
during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into
trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the
savings and loan industry in the 1980s.
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/...dit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html?scp=1&st=nyt


The root cause was the government interferance.
America still has a huge spending problem,
both the government and the people.
 

calibob

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Socialism will be the net result of Capitolism gone off the rails without responsible handling of the national debt. George Soros, Rupert Murdoch, Bill Gates, Zucherberg, the Koch Brothers, The Waltons and Monsanto to name a few have enough in savings to buy gov bonds and help us out of this pickle. But they won't. I think when the federal Reserve rolls over dead they may try to buy the country. I doubt that freedom is what most of them want for this country. Corparate Socialism is how they're doing it. Not democratic socialism.

It's more like Hitlers Henchmen than FDRs' Democrats and Unions. I hope I'm wrong but I haven't seen much since 1980 that points the other way. That's my 2 bits worth!
 

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do you remember a tidy little war for profit scheme involving a guy called tricky dick? and another we called the secretary of state, Henry kissinger? My generation didn't need to look far to identity antichrists
I remember Tricky Dick as he was my commander-in-chief for a brief period while serving in the military.
 

zeroturbulence

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Are American Democrats turning to Socialism?

In a word....... pretty much. :whistle:
 
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Yes the majority of young people are socialist because we have seen how badly capitilism has failed under the leadership of baby boomers and gen x
How has capitalism failed?
I see no evidence of the system failing me in my life.
I have seen many people fail to exercise the great oportunitys offered them to success.
Instead they are holding out their hand for a handout and blaming others for their failures.