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if righteousness come by the Law, then Christ is dead in vain.
(Galatians 2:21)
if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the Law.
(Galatians 3:21)
(Galatians 3:21)
appears that they cannot lead either to life or to righteousness.
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law.
(1 Corinthians 15:56)
(1 Corinthians 15:56)
Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
(Romans 7:24)
(Romans 7:24)
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it's abundantly and incontrovertibly clear that the commandment John is writing about is love one another.
that doesn't happen to be one of the 10 commandments, Wall; you're quite wrong in what you've stated.
interestingly John calls it "new"
Jesus calls this commandment "new" as well in John 13:34, saying love one another as He has loved.
why is this called "new" ?
it's abundantly and incontrovertibly clear that the commandment John is writing about is love one another.
that doesn't happen to be one of the 10 commandments, Wall; you're quite wrong in what you've stated.
interestingly John calls it "new"
Jesus calls this commandment "new" as well in John 13:34, saying love one another as He has loved.
why is this called "new" ?
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More Scripture twisting and once again, you are having trouble making the transition from the OLD covenant into the NEW covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13). 
The Judaizers, along with other misguided teachers of the law who look to be justified by the law is not good company.
Hebrews 8:13 (ESV) In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 (NAS) When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NIV) By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NKJV) In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
So you turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the NEW covenant? Keep the Sabbath day or perish? I believe Paul and not your perverted Sabbath gospel - (Colossians 2:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16).
Jesus and the Apostles repeatedly emphasized: Love, Grace, Forgiveness, Mercy, Faith, Salvation, Death, burial and resurrection of Christ, Return of Christ, Dangers of legalism. These subjects are repeated over and over again in the New Testament. What about the necessity of keeping Sabbath as a holy day? Oddly enough, it is never mentioned in the New Testament, not even once. And yet are we to believe this is the single-most important issue that is supposed to decide the fate of humanity?
The Judaizers, along with other misguided teachers of the law who look to be justified by the law is not good company.Hebrews 8:13 (ESV) In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 (NAS) When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NIV) By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NKJV) In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
So you turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the NEW covenant? Keep the Sabbath day or perish? I believe Paul and not your perverted Sabbath gospel - (Colossians 2:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16).
Jesus and the Apostles repeatedly emphasized: Love, Grace, Forgiveness, Mercy, Faith, Salvation, Death, burial and resurrection of Christ, Return of Christ, Dangers of legalism. These subjects are repeated over and over again in the New Testament. What about the necessity of keeping Sabbath as a holy day? Oddly enough, it is never mentioned in the New Testament, not even once. And yet are we to believe this is the single-most important issue that is supposed to decide the fate of humanity?
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More Scripture twisting and once again, you are having trouble making the transition from the OLD covenant into the NEW covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13). The Judaizers, along with other misguided teachers of the law who look to be justified by the law is not good company.
Hebrews 8:13 (ESV) In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 (NAS)When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NIV)By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NKJV)In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
So you turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the NEW covenant? Keep the Sabbath day or perish? I believe Paul and not your perverted Sabbath gospel - (Colossians 2:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16).
Jesus and the Apostles repeatedly emphasized: Love, Grace, Forgiveness, Mercy, Faith, Salvation, Death, burial and resurrection of Christ, Return of Christ, Dangers of legalism. These subjects are repeated over and over again in the New Testament. What about the necessity of keeping Sabbath as a holy day? Oddly enough, it is never mentioned in the New Testament, not even once. And yet are we to believe this is the single-most important issue that is supposed to decide the fate of humanity?
The Judaizers, along with other misguided teachers of the law who look to be justified by the law is not good company.Hebrews 8:13 (ESV) In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 (NAS)When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NIV)By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13 (NKJV)In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
So you turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the NEW covenant? Keep the Sabbath day or perish? I believe Paul and not your perverted Sabbath gospel - (Colossians 2:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16).
Jesus and the Apostles repeatedly emphasized: Love, Grace, Forgiveness, Mercy, Faith, Salvation, Death, burial and resurrection of Christ, Return of Christ, Dangers of legalism. These subjects are repeated over and over again in the New Testament. What about the necessity of keeping Sabbath as a holy day? Oddly enough, it is never mentioned in the New Testament, not even once. And yet are we to believe this is the single-most important issue that is supposed to decide the fate of humanity?
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Thats right. It did not originate there.
EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, COME UP TO ME INTO THE MOUNT, and be there: and I WILL GIVE THEE tables of stone, AND A LAW, AND COMMANDMENTS which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
But it was givin on the mount {Sinai} to Isreal
You do believe the 10 commandments were givin at Sinai. Yet you find also in Genesis....
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Abraham keeping Gods 10 commandments
EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, COME UP TO ME INTO THE MOUNT, and be there: and I WILL GIVE THEE tables of stone, AND A LAW, AND COMMANDMENTS which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
But it was givin on the mount {Sinai} to Isreal
You do believe the 10 commandments were givin at Sinai. Yet you find also in Genesis....
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Abraham keeping Gods 10 commandments
kind of reminds me of when Jesus talks about putting new wine in old wineskins. in the Luke account he adds an interesting idea:
After drinking old wine, no one wants the new. They say, ‘The old wine is better.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+5&version=NIRV
After drinking old wine, no one wants the new. They say, ‘The old wine is better.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+5&version=NIRV
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The fact that the word commandments appears in Genesis is an extremely flimsy and unconvincing argument for the 10 commandments being given before the scripture literally says they were given - 430 years after Abraham.
You've started off on a completely false interpretation of Galatians 4.
We should fix that before you go on any further.
You've started off on a completely false interpretation of Galatians 4.
We should fix that before you go on any further.
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Amen! The Ten Commandments did not exist as a formal code of law until Moses. The Ten Commandments were not given before Sinai. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 says, "The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us." Then he gives the Ten Commandments in verses 6-22.
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Are you asserting the idea that Christians are still under the Sinai covenant?
I understand gb9. When i first started posting these scriptures some 20 yrs ago, i was pretty much alone. Now you say theres a bunch. And thats true. Its cause we are in the latter days and prophecy must come to pass.
MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.
MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP {V:6} gone from the mountain to the hill. Why? They forgot their resting place
ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of zion shall GO FORTH THE LAW, and THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.
Look what happens in the last days
In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] also says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath. We are in those last days and prophecy must come to pass
I understand gb9. When i first started posting these scriptures some 20 yrs ago, i was pretty much alone. Now you say theres a bunch. And thats true. Its cause we are in the latter days and prophecy must come to pass.
MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.
MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP {V:6} gone from the mountain to the hill. Why? They forgot their resting place
ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of zion shall GO FORTH THE LAW, and THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.
Look what happens in the last days
In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] also says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath. We are in those last days and prophecy must come to pass
Honest, Abe kept the 10
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
So why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments? He heard and obeyed Gods "voice"
DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God . [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
The voice...The 10 commandments. No doubt about it
ZEPHANIAH 3 [1] Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city! [2] SHE OBEYED NOT THE VOICE; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God. [3] Her princes within her are ROARING LIONS; her judges are evening WOLVES; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow. [4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW.
Youll find those lions and wolves mentioned in the new covenant scriptures. The bad guys
JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Also Gods sheep shall also hear His “voice”.
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
So why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments? He heard and obeyed Gods "voice"
DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God . [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
The voice...The 10 commandments. No doubt about it
ZEPHANIAH 3 [1] Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city! [2] SHE OBEYED NOT THE VOICE; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God. [3] Her princes within her are ROARING LIONS; her judges are evening WOLVES; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow. [4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW.
Youll find those lions and wolves mentioned in the new covenant scriptures. The bad guys
JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Also Gods sheep shall also hear His “voice”.
="mailmandan, post: 3651941, member: 193497"]
First off, even the Word "Sabbatarians" is a Catholic creation. Just like so much of mainstream doctrine. But this is a Bible discussion forum and I was addressing a statement you made regarding the Sabbath and what Jesus said about it.
It is religious man which has chosen to create a division between the Law and the Prophets that Paul called the "Gospel of Christ", and Jesus. No division exists. Certainly not according to Jesus and certainly not in the promise of the New Covenant. Jesus mentioned the Sabbath Commandment as He did several of God's Commandments that had been distorted and corrupted by the Mainstream preachers of His time.
Matt. 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
And again:
"the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath".
Now you can change the subject and deflect from your statement, and turn the conversation into some other direction if you want. But for a person who isn't obligated to, or influenced by, the Catholic Church and her daughters, this looks like Jesus is expounding on the virtues of this Commandment as He did on so many others.
I think it is dangerous for you to place your own words and religious traditions into the mouth of Jesus. It is a horrible custom of yours and I would, as a brother, warn you against such behavior.
When Jesus says "The Sabbath was made for man", you say He really didn't mean it. When Jesus says, when asked about entering heaven, "If you want to enter life, keep the Commandments" you preach, He really didn't mean it. When Jesus says "
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." you say He really didn't mean it.
I could go on and on. What I see, and am trying to warn you about, is you seem to reject EVERY WORD of God that doesn't promote your religious tradition. How is this any different than the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time?
I don't agree with the Catholic creation of a New Covenant. I posted what the Bible says about it and went in to detail using other scriptures to more fully understand what Jesus said the New Covenant is.
It is plain to those who don't have a religious tradition to defend, that the New Covenant pertains to 2 things. How God's Laws are administered, and How Transgressions of these same laws are dealt with.
But your New Covenant isn't the same as His. So while I have not made the transition to the Catholic version, or by extension, your version of the New Covenant, I most certainly understand, accept and do participate in His New Covenant. And am looking forward to the time yet to come when everyone will honor and respect the God of the Bible.
Is. 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
The huge religions of today that come in Christ's name but don't so as He says will be used as examples of what not to do just as the Pharisees and Jews who "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions are used as examples for us today.
This is why we are warned over and over to "beware" of religious men. Those who use parts of God's Word to preach, like the Serpent did to Eve, but do not live by "EVERY WORD" of God as Jesus commanded. "Come out of her my people"
How many times did Jesus say to Keep His Commandments in the New Testament? How many times did Paul, John, Peter?
How many times did Jesus, as the Word, tell His people to listen and follow His instructions? It's insane that you are so influenced by a religion which you already know is not being led by God, yet you follow their instructions over God's all the time.
It is you that judges some of the Christ's commandments as unworthy of your respect, not Jesus, not Paul. It is you who claim God's instructions were only for a certain DNA. Paul and Jesus taught the opposite.
Rom. 2:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
But you preach he really doesn't mean it.
Part one.
It is religious man which has chosen to create a division between the Law and the Prophets that Paul called the "Gospel of Christ", and Jesus. No division exists. Certainly not according to Jesus and certainly not in the promise of the New Covenant. Jesus mentioned the Sabbath Commandment as He did several of God's Commandments that had been distorted and corrupted by the Mainstream preachers of His time.
Matt. 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
And again:
"the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath".
Now you can change the subject and deflect from your statement, and turn the conversation into some other direction if you want. But for a person who isn't obligated to, or influenced by, the Catholic Church and her daughters, this looks like Jesus is expounding on the virtues of this Commandment as He did on so many others.
I think it is dangerous for you to place your own words and religious traditions into the mouth of Jesus. It is a horrible custom of yours and I would, as a brother, warn you against such behavior.
When Jesus says "The Sabbath was made for man", you say He really didn't mean it. When Jesus says, when asked about entering heaven, "If you want to enter life, keep the Commandments" you preach, He really didn't mean it. When Jesus says "
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." you say He really didn't mean it.
I could go on and on. What I see, and am trying to warn you about, is you seem to reject EVERY WORD of God that doesn't promote your religious tradition. How is this any different than the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time?
I don't agree with the Catholic creation of a New Covenant. I posted what the Bible says about it and went in to detail using other scriptures to more fully understand what Jesus said the New Covenant is.
It is plain to those who don't have a religious tradition to defend, that the New Covenant pertains to 2 things. How God's Laws are administered, and How Transgressions of these same laws are dealt with.
But your New Covenant isn't the same as His. So while I have not made the transition to the Catholic version, or by extension, your version of the New Covenant, I most certainly understand, accept and do participate in His New Covenant. And am looking forward to the time yet to come when everyone will honor and respect the God of the Bible.
Is. 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
The huge religions of today that come in Christ's name but don't so as He says will be used as examples of what not to do just as the Pharisees and Jews who "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions are used as examples for us today.
This is why we are warned over and over to "beware" of religious men. Those who use parts of God's Word to preach, like the Serpent did to Eve, but do not live by "EVERY WORD" of God as Jesus commanded. "Come out of her my people"
How many times did Jesus say to Keep His Commandments in the New Testament? How many times did Paul, John, Peter?
How many times did Jesus, as the Word, tell His people to listen and follow His instructions? It's insane that you are so influenced by a religion which you already know is not being led by God, yet you follow their instructions over God's all the time.
It is you that judges some of the Christ's commandments as unworthy of your respect, not Jesus, not Paul. It is you who claim God's instructions were only for a certain DNA. Paul and Jesus taught the opposite.
Rom. 2:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
But you preach he really doesn't mean it.
Part one.
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="mailmandan, post: 3651941, member: 193497"]
Jesus said I have a choice and if I choose one way, there is Grace, if I choose another way, there is no Grace.
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life,(Receive Grace) keep the commandments.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;(Will receive Grace)
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, (Grace) if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
I could go on and on and on. Your preaching that I have nothing to do with the agreement God and I have made together is a popular doctrine in the World's religion, it surely fills the collections plates, but it goes against what Jesus says, both as the Word, and as a Man.
So then Preacher Dan, did he really keep God's Commandments from his youth? Or was he deceived into believing what was not true?
We will never agree because of one thing Dan. You know the Commandment of God, but don't believe in it, not because of what God or Jesus says about it, but because of what other religious voices have said about it.
To me, it's not about defending this religious tradition or that, it's about honoring the Word which became Flesh, even if the religions of the land don't.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
When did God or Jesus ever abolish this Truth?
Jesus said I have a choice and if I choose one way, there is Grace, if I choose another way, there is no Grace.
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life,(Receive Grace) keep the commandments.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;(Will receive Grace)
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, (Grace) if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
I could go on and on and on. Your preaching that I have nothing to do with the agreement God and I have made together is a popular doctrine in the World's religion, it surely fills the collections plates, but it goes against what Jesus says, both as the Word, and as a Man.
So then Preacher Dan, did he really keep God's Commandments from his youth? Or was he deceived into believing what was not true?
We will never agree because of one thing Dan. You know the Commandment of God, but don't believe in it, not because of what God or Jesus says about it, but because of what other religious voices have said about it.
To me, it's not about defending this religious tradition or that, it's about honoring the Word which became Flesh, even if the religions of the land don't.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
When did God or Jesus ever abolish this Truth?
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It does not help to take Scriptures out of context in order to understand Bible truth. The Law (the Ten Commandments) has TWO FUNCTIONS: (1) to show human beings that they are all guilty before God and (2) to show the redeemed that God's spiritual and moral standards are always the same, and are incorporated within the Law of Christ.
The yoke of bondage is the use of the Law of Moses to establish righteousness apart from Christ. The application of the Law of Christ is to be righteous in Christ.
The yoke of bondage is the use of the Law of Moses to establish righteousness apart from Christ. The application of the Law of Christ is to be righteous in Christ.