YOKE OF BONDAGE

[Nehemiah6]

The covenant in His blood is already in force. Not the covenant in Hebrews 8

Instead of going back and studying the matter throughly you have simply doubled down in your error (which is typical of all those who hold false doctrines).

So let me show you that there is ONLY ONE New Covenant, and that is the one ratified with the shed blood of Christ -- "my blood of the New Covenant".

MATTHEW 26 KJB
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying,Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, [Greek diathekes = covenant or testament] which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Strong's Concordance
diathéké: testament, will, covenant
Original Word: διαθήκη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: diathéké
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ath-ay'-kay)
Short Definition: a covenant, will, testament
Definition: (a) a covenant between two parties, (b) (the ordinary, everyday sense [found a countless number of times in papyri]) a will, testament

So when did the Old Covenant become null and void and when did the New Covenant go into effect? On the day Christ died on the Cross. This was verified by the supernatural rending or tearing down of the curtain in the temple at Jerusalem separating the Holy Place from the Holy of Holies.

 

[posthuman]

1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
(Matthew 6:6)​

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whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
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have faith in God!
(Mark 11:22)​

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do not be afraid!
(Mark 6:50)​

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when you are invited, go and sit in the lowest place
(Luke 14:10)​

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[Wall]

So when did the Old Covenant become null and void and when did the New Covenant go into effect?

Ezekiel 37:25-27 (KJV)
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Alls im saying is the covenant of Hebrews 8 has not yet arrived. Id like to hear why you think "EVERYONE KNOWS THE LORD". Anyways do you think the covenant found in Zeke37 is now in affect?

 

[Wall]

So when did the Old Covenant become null and void and when did the New Covenant go into effect? On the day Christ died on the Cross..

Yup. The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ZECH.9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water

Verse 9 definately prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant...blood

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

New testament...blood

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

He taketh away the first {covenant}, that he may establish the second.

JOHN 6 [53] [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

And theres the 2nd

MATTHEW 5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus did not come to change or destroy the law. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law.

 

[posthuman]

He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law.

Sabbaths - all of them - are about Him.

He expressly told us the purpose of giving Israel sabbath laws:

Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover, I gave them my Sabbaths, as a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.

That was then.
Now, how do we who know the Son and His perfect work know that it is the LORD who sanctifies us?
By a ritual? A sign we perform? A work of the Law? Is that how we know?

 

[posthuman]

Yup. The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ.

So you backing down from what you said earlier, that the new covenant isn't in effect yet?

 

[Wall]

So you backing down from what you said earlier, that the new covenant isn't in effect yet?

Very decieving question. I never said the new covenant was not in effect. I said the covenant mentioned in Heb.8 was not yet in effect. Thats why i keep asking you the same question over and over again. And i get no answer from you. Ill try again

Why do you think everyone in this world knows the Lord?

 

[Dino246]

The covenant in His blood is already in force. Not the covenant in Hebrews 8

Another addition to the "Most ludicrous things ever written in the BDF."

 

[Wall]

Another addition to the "Most ludicrous things ever written in the BDF."

JEREMIAH 16 [14] Therefore, BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; [15] But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Behold, the days come! Has verse 15 come to pass? Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Nope

JEREMIAH 23 [5] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. [6] In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. [7] Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; [8] But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

Behold, the days come! Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Nope. Not yet

JEREMIAH 33 [14] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. [15] In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. [16] IN THOSE DAYS SHALL JUDAH BE SAVED, AND JERUSALEM SHALL DWELL SAFELY: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

Behold, the days come! Is Jerusalem dwelling safely? Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Nope

JEREMIAH 31 [31] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] AND THEY SHALL TEACH NO MORE EVERY MAN HIS NEIGHBOUR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, KNOW THE LORD: FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Behold, the days come! Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Does EVERYONE know the Lord? Nope

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

Behold the days come! Verse 11! Does everyone know the Lord! Why do the many believe this scripture has been fulfilled?

 

[Wall]

So when does the covenant found in Hebrews 8 come to pass?

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I WILL BE TO THEM A GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE TO ME A PEOPLE:

and will be their God, and they shall be my people {when does this happen}

ZECHARIAH 8 [7] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; [8] And I WILL BRING THEM, AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, in truth and in righteousness.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {when His people are gathered to Jerusalem}

JEREMIAH 24 [6] For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I WILL BRING THEM AGAIN TO THIS LAND: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. [7] And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {and again}

JEREMIAH 32 [37] Behold, I WILL GATHER THEM OUT OF ALL COUNTRIES, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I WILL BRING THEM again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: [38] And THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD: [39] And I WILL GIVE THEM ONE HEART, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: [40] And I will make an EVERLASTING COVENANT with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. [41] Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I WILL PLANT THEM IN THIS LAND assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {and again...after the gathering to Jerusalem}. Pretty simple. At the gathering of Gods people to Israel, God will then write His laws on our heart {Jer.31v33} and then we shall be His people and He will be our God.

EZEKIEL 11 [17] Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I WILL EVEN GATHER YOU FROM THE PEOPLE, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAND OF ISRAEL. [18] And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. [19] And I WILL GIVE THEM ONE HEART, and I will put a NEW SPIRIT within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

[20] That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD.

I will gather you {in the twinkling of an eye} and bring you to Israel and give you a new heart and then they shall be my people and I will be their God.

 

[Grandpa]

So when does the covenant found in Hebrews 8 come to pass?

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I WILL BE TO THEM A GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE TO ME A PEOPLE:

and will be their God, and they shall be my people {when does this happen}

ZECHARIAH 8 [7] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; [8] And I WILL BRING THEM, AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, in truth and in righteousness.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {when His people are gathered to Jerusalem}

JEREMIAH 24 [6] For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I WILL BRING THEM AGAIN TO THIS LAND: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. [7] And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {and again}

JEREMIAH 32 [37] Behold, I WILL GATHER THEM OUT OF ALL COUNTRIES, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I WILL BRING THEM again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: [38] And THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD: [39] And I WILL GIVE THEM ONE HEART, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: [40] And I will make an EVERLASTING COVENANT with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. [41] Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I WILL PLANT THEM IN THIS LAND assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {and again...after the gathering to Jerusalem}. Pretty simple. At the gathering of Gods people to Israel, God will then write His laws on our heart {Jer.31v33} and then we shall be His people and He will be our God.

EZEKIEL 11 [17] Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I WILL EVEN GATHER YOU FROM THE PEOPLE, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAND OF ISRAEL. [18] And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. [19] And I WILL GIVE THEM ONE HEART, and I will put a NEW SPIRIT within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

[20] That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD.

I will gather you {in the twinkling of an eye} and bring you to Israel and give you a new heart and then they shall be my people and I will be their God.

When a person comes to Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Grandpa]

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

What is the yoke that neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

It is the law of Moses. Starting with the 10 commandments and including all the sacrifices and feasts.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


If the ministration of Death and Condemnation is the foundation of the law of Moses then it should make perfect sense that neither we nor our fathers could bear this.

If this yoke brings people into death and condemnation how can it be anything but bondage? And how to set the captives free?

Only in Christ...

Romans 8:1-2
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Wall]

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

What is the yoke that neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

GALATIANS 5 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE. [2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.

GALATIANS 2 [3] But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was COMPELLED TO BE CIRCUMCISED: [4]And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might BRING US INTO BONDAGE:

 

[Dino246]

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

GALATIANS 5 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE. [2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.

GALATIANS 2 [3] But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was COMPELLED TO BE CIRCUMCISED: [4]And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might BRING US INTO BONDAGE:

Your argument is centred around the law commanding circumcision, which was given to Abraham and reiterated to Moses. The problem with your position is that God didn't give "the Law" to Abraham, so when Paul mentions in Galatians that the Law was given 430 years later, and then makes reference to the Law as being powerless to save or sanctify, he is clearly stating that it is the Law of Moses that is powerless, and implying that circumcision is merely an example of that powerless law, and not merely of the command given to Abraham.

 

[Studyman]

="mailmandan, post: 3652811, member: 193497"]Sounds like typical SDA propaganda.

I don't believe Jesus is SDA, not as a man, and not as the Word. I didn't use quote's from religious man, nor do I depend on the internet for my understanding. I am showing you from scriptures how your statement that "Jesus doesn't mention the Sabbath in the New Testament" is untrue.

You may somehow have been convinced that any reference from God in the Bible regarding His Sabbath, is "SDA propaganda". And you may actually believe this. The scriptures I posted are not from SDA as you preach, but from the "Lord of the Sabbath".

I hear SDA's quote this passage of scripture a lot and teach that Isaiah 66:23 is proof that Christians will observe Sabbath now, and in the new heaven. Does Isaiah 66:23 teach that Christians should observe the Sabbath? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in the new heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the Jewish New Moon festival in heaven. "And it shall be from new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” - Isaiah 66:23. Let's be consistent.

Well, you have some things really messed up in your mind Dan. Jesus is not SDA, nor did He participate in SDA Propaganda, at least as I see the Scriptures.

And regarding the Feast's He created for us to walk in, you preach they are Jewish, but Jesus, as the Word, tells differently;

Lev. 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

So according to the Bible, The Holy Days are His, not the Jews as you preach. And the Sabbath is His as well, not SDA as you preach. And if we "Believe on His Word" Paul also agree with him.

1 Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

So when confronted by the Popes religious preaching, and with your religious preaching, I am always placed in the position to choose between what the Word of God teaches, and what you guys preach. But the Bible also warns about this as well.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

SDA's have the Jewish new moon festival observances in the new heaven based on the above text. If you insist on Sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, they also need to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons. hmm.. That’s inconsistent. Are New moons and Sabbath keeping a requirement for Christians based on the New Covenant terms? NO.

If you believe the Word which became Flesh was a Jewish member of SDA, it really doesn't matter what you preach. But if you reject these "Rudiments of the World and traditions of men" and Glorify God AS GOD, then the understanding is different. I don't care what this religious man does or that religious man. You are the one who must deflect, you are the one defending your preaching. I am simply posting scriptures and considering what they say apart from religious man.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

I agree 100%. As Paul warned earlier, "beware of man". Let no man judge you in your willful obedience to the Word which became Flesh. these are from the Christ, not the Catholic Church or SAD, your religion, or any tradition soaked religion of the world.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

As far as the scriptures go, we are to choose God's Ways over the religious ways of man. Do you not believe this?

Will there be Levital Priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it is also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical Priesthood under the New Covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. *The Old and New Covenants do not mix.

Well I have learned to go to the Scriptures you refer to and look at them because you have a horrible custom of injecting your own religious traditions into them.

Heb. 7:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

So this is the part you posted. What did the Scriptures say this "change of the Law" was?

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Who was the only Tribe that could partake of the Priesthood according to the Covenant God made with Israel? Was it not Levi? Was Levi not in charge of the Sanctuary and the atonement of sins? What was part of the New Covenant? "For I will forgive their sins". But this is a "Work" of the Priesthood. How can Jesus, from Judah, become a High Priest that was to be performed by Levites only?

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

So the "LAW" dictating who could became a "Priest" had to be changed, and was. Just like He Promised in Jer. 31.

How is this not true?

 

[gb9]

I don't believe Jesus is SDA, not as a man, and not as the Word. I didn't use quote's from religious man, nor do I depend on the internet for my understanding. I am showing you from scriptures how your statement that "Jesus doesn't mention the Sabbath in the New Testament" is untrue.

You may somehow have been convinced that any reference from God in the Bible regarding His Sabbath, is "SDA propaganda". And you may actually believe this. The scriptures I posted are not from SDA as you preach, but from the "Lord of the Sabbath".




Well, you have some things really messed up in your mind Dan. Jesus is not SDA, nor did He participate in SDA Propaganda, at least as I see the Scriptures.

And regarding the Feast's He created for us to walk in, you preach they are Jewish, but Jesus, as the Word, tells differently;

Lev. 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

So according to the Bible, The Holy Days are His, not the Jews as you preach. And the Sabbath is His as well, not SDA as you preach. And if we "Believe on His Word" Paul also agree with him.

1 Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

So when confronted by the Popes religious preaching, and with your religious preaching, I am always placed in the position to choose between what the Word of God teaches, and what you guys preach. But the Bible also warns about this as well.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.



If you believe the Word which became Flesh was a Jewish member of SDA, it really doesn't matter what you preach. But if you reject these "Rudiments of the World and traditions of men" and Glorify God AS GOD, then the understanding is different. I don't care what this religious man does or that religious man. You are the one who must deflect, you are the one defending your preaching. I am simply posting scriptures and considering what they say apart from religious man.



I agree 100%. As Paul warned earlier, "beware of man". Let no man judge you in your willful obedience to the Word which became Flesh. these are from the Christ, not the Catholic Church or SAD, your religion, or any tradition soaked religion of the world.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

As far as the scriptures go, we are to choose God's Ways over the religious ways of man. Do you not believe this?




Well I have learned to go to the Scriptures you refer to and look at them because you have a horrible custom of injecting your own religious traditions into them.

Heb. 7:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

So this is the part you posted. What did the Scriptures say this "change of the Law" was?

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Who was the only Tribe that could partake of the Priesthood according to the Covenant God made with Israel? Was it not Levi? Was Levi not in charge of the Sanctuary and the atonement of sins? What was part of the New Covenant? "For I will forgive their sins". But this is a "Work" of the Priesthood. How can Jesus, from Judah, become a High Priest that was to be performed by Levites only?

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

So the "LAW" dictating who could became a "Priest" had to be changed, and was. Just like He Promised in Jer. 31.

How is this not true?

still waiting on you to whip up a source that defines the Law being in different parts.

the greek language does not. the greek language is not a religious tradition.

and, oneness ( like you preach ) is lie. Trinity is real.

 

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Perverting the gospel by teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is not living by every word of God. It's twisting the word of God.

Yet instead of discussing the scriptures I post, you just deflect and bring up some religious franchise you don't like. I am posting what the Word says about entering life, not the Pope or Smith. It starts with Cain;

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

And Jesus continues His same teaching as a man.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So Dan, I'm not perverting God's Word's, I may be posting scriptures which bring your religious traditions into question. But the Scriptures, when you consider "Every Word of God" as my Savior instructs, clearly say I have a choice, and a part in the agreement between me and God where Salvation is concerned. I know SDA claims they are the way, and you claim your religion is the way, and the Catholic Church claim they are the way, and Jones claimed His religious traditions were the way. We have all been warned of "man's" religion. I don't care about such things.

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

You preach you have found another way to the Father. I just don't believe in your words, rather, I believe on Him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

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still waiting on you to whip up a source that defines the Law being in different parts.

the greek language does not. the greek language is not a religious tradition.

and, oneness ( like you preach ) is lie. Trinity is real.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

John 10:
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

 

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Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

John 10:
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

language- greek word for faith- pistis- definition - belief, trust, confidence, fidelity.

nothing about Sabbath. nothing about Torah.

God the Father said of the Son " hear Him ". the Son said " whosoever believes in me shall not parish, but have eternal life '.

so, the law of faith lines up perfectly what Jesus said.

so, once again, unless you produce a translation that says Sabbath and Torah in the definition of the word faith, you stand corrected.

 

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I always thought that when Paul says the law of faith in Romans 3: 27 that he meant law as in principle. He is making a play on the word law. first he speaks of the law of Moses, meaning a set of rules. then he talks about the law of faith meaning not a set of rules based on faith but the principle of faith. I think that fits fully with the context of the entire chapter and Romans in general.

http://biblehub.com/greek/3551.htm