How did the giants survive a global flood?

I cannot see why it does not make sense to you..
The first angel to come down to earth recorded in the Bible was satan.. Eve a female woman was on the earth before satan arrived.. So.... human woman where on the earth before the fallen angels came down to have Children with them.. This is really basic stuff Zmouth so much so that i cannot comprehend how you can not understand this? You come across as being a person with high Intelligence, Maybe we have had a huge communication break down somewhere ???

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
John 16:13

Maybe we did, or not, depending upon whether I correctly understood you.


Your statement above suggests that no human females existed before the fallen angels came down. The reason it doesn't make sense to me is for the following reasons:


Where is it recorded in the Torah of the existence another immortal Spirit except the LORD?

If one is going to say the serpent in Genesis 3 is Satan, the consider the following:
1. The name of the female was Adam, not Eve. The term man applies to both male and female.

• And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 1:26
• Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Gen 5:2

After they saw their nakedness is when Adam called his wife Eve.

• And Adam called his wife's name Eve; Gen 3:20

2. the serpent isn't a heavenly being that fell from the heaven above the firmament but a beast of the field, who are distinguished in Eccelestics as the sons of men.

• Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.Gen 3:1
• For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.Eccl 3:19
• Eccelestics 3:18

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. Nothing in the passage suggests that they came down from anywhere,

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:1-2

The passage simply conveys in context with the account of their being more than one man (male) being made in the beginning, and that that when men (male and females) begin to multiply, that these same men (males) which are called the sons of God took the daughters of born of the others to be their wives also. Since it is written, "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, " (See Matt 19:4)

Sons of Gods are those who follow after the Holy Spirit of God. They as new born again creatures have nothing to do with the flesh of natural man but does have to do with those born again. Daughters of men refers to natural unconverted men . That portion is simply informing not to be unevenly yoked. Believers with believers. Specially then when the seed Christ was still fulfilling the genealogy to describe the "generation of Christ" fulfilled in Mathew 1. And not the generation of Adam natural unconverted man

So the sons of God are not those who follow after the Spirit of truth?

Kinda ironic that God is referred unto as a Spirit in John 4:24, which those who believe on him should receive according to
John 7:39.

(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

If the Spirit is pnuema, or wind then if the Holy Ghost is phasma, or invisible light, then wouldn't it be true that if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: (See 1 John 1:6)

Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God, then if it is better than a man enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes and be cast in hell, then howbeit that those who are born again can't see the kingdom of God?

Jesus said that he was not of this world, so if the heaven above the firmament was created in the beginning then wouldn't the kingdom of God be beyond the expanse of space called heaven in Genesis 1:1?

Fallen angels are not considered as beast of the field as in mankind. Not created of the dust of the field in respect to flesh and blood . Simply Satan attempt to make it abpout flesh and blood as that seen as if the kingdom of God could come by obeservation

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

There is no commandment to be fruitful and multiple with a creation that is nether male nor female neither could there be'

Find the purpose for the flood as to the state of natural mans heart desperately wicked and beyond cure, find that beleivers as Sons of God were being unevenly yoked with non believers, daughters of men .

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every "magination of the thoughts of his heart" (no faith) was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5

That simply shows that some think the kingdom of God as the presence of God called the bosom of Abraham comes by observation (no faith)

It does not mean that saints did not have the Spirit of Christ prior to the appearing of the Son of man Jesus.

Yes, when Christ who appeared as the Son of man as that seen was here he received no worship according to the things seen and promised to send the Holy Spirit when he disappeared out of sight. Old testament saints had the Holy Spirit as the same on the new testament side




God spoke of two beginning as Genesis's, plural right from the foundation. The expanse is simply the presence of God. Not a after thought

These are the generations (plural) of the heavens and of the earth when they (plural) were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,Genesis 2:4

something very interesting I found in my studies that relates to both the nephalem and Noah's flood. the native Americans had a tale concerning giants with 6 fingers, red headed, and were mean in what is now known as the United States of America. and their tale consists that the [Great Spirit][Yahweh] grew tired of the giants evil ways. as result, the Great Spirit caused it to rain upon the earth. and as the rain fell and the waters rose, the giants climbed to the highest mountain peeks until the waters rose above them and they all drowned.

the ironic coincidence of this story, is both the [[giants]] and a [[rain from God that flooded the earth]] to destroyed all that was evil.

the part I love the most, here is a tale around the same time as Noah, but on the other side of the world that had the Genesis giants and the flood. and obviously, these Native Americans had no idea of who Noah was, [but at same time proves Noah's flood]!!

I am always amazed, that how in time, God gives subtle clues that proves Himself!!

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So the indigenous people of the Americas don't know who Noah was?

But for sake of believing all things, if the Americas were inhabited by man at the time of the flood, then would it have been by inhabited anyone after the flood that could tell that that tale?

Of course not, they would have died in the flood that covered the dry ground under the waters.

Of course at the time that Noah entered the Ark, the Americas was uninhabited seeing that by the three sons of Noah the world was overspread.

13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
Gen 6:13-16

Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? Matt 6:27

• When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. Isa 59:19
• Who is this that cometh up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers? Egypt riseth up like a flood, and his waters are moved like the rivers; and he saith, I will go up, and will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof.
  Jer 46:7-8

What do you think of Proverbs 30:6 or Revelations 22:15?

Ok my bad.. There should have been a period after that No.. The No was just me stating my disagreement with your post that i was responding to.. So it should have been ""No.. Human females where existing before the fallen angels came down and had children by them"" So my type error is the cause of the mix up here.. My apologies Zmouth..


I did not state that satan was immortal.. Satan is a created being as is all angels.. God created the heavens and the earth.. So God created heaven the first estate of the Angels of which satan was a cherub angel.. So while satan like all angels and us humans will exist forever into the future.. Both Angels and humans where created by God so we have not been etenally existent into the past..

If one is going to say the serpent in Genesis 3 is Satan, the consider the following:

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The fact that satan was that serpent of old is confirmed in scripture..

The Book of Revelation is good with revealing things::

Revelation 12: KJV
9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Nice how it wraps up all these terms for satan so as to leave no one in doubt..

Well... all I can say is that unbelievers have unions and babies with believers every day and have for as long as people have existed and giants were not born from the unions.

There are many places in the Bible where the angels are called, sons of God.

The Book of Enoch tells in detail about the unions the angels had with women.
Enoch was a main player in scripture and his writings are quoted several times.
To reject Enoch who walk with God and was not because God took him, you miss
out on the actual first Book of the Bible that is detrimental in understanding these
issues and others.

Demons are the spirits of the giants when they die. Not angels. angels are angels.
And there is no scripture that says they don't have DNA.

The Book of Enoch was scripture until it was removed by the Romans. Mainstream
Christians are taught that our Bible (choose your translation) is the Bible. The KJV
is the best translation, in my research, though it has many errors when compared
to the original texts in the original languages. All the translations after it get worse.
I could post all the references to grave errors but that is a topic for another day and
requires much study to except or deny and most wont do it.

But I will post evidence showing Enoch is indeed scripture. And it says clearly that
200 of the fallen angels took human woman as wives and born giants.

I will also post references to the "son of God" phrases almost always referring to angels.

Stay tuned.

The Indians are decendants of Noah that eventually ended up in the Americas.
And on every continent in the world, all the first civilizations, there is the same
folklore about the giants, the flood and God. Just the names have changed be-
cause they speak different languages. (Tower of Babel) And all the migrations
from the fertile crescent, the land just below the mountain where the ark came
to rest... are documented. Trey Smiths "Noah" on You tube is a great video giving
more details on this. As are his other videos "Nephilim" and "The theory of Everything."

Son of God are those exclusively led by the Spirit of God. If they are not led by the Spirit of God they are demons, led by the father of lies, not sons of God . A clear distinction must be made and is using the phrase( as many as )

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they (alone) are the sons of God

They are as administering spirits sent with the word of God to move men or beast .like the spirit to shut the mouth of lions with Danial . Those have no from but are used as a force of God. They are not created from the dust and do not marry because they have no way to multiply being neither male nor female

Therefore, angels are only servants--spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.Hebrews 1

Again they are not sent being led by the Spirit to be fruitful. They are another kind of creature that are led by the father of lies.

Then you have as new creatures as sons of God led by the Spirit of God that bring the word of God called prophets or when sent with the word of God, apostles (sent ones) . They would be identified as possibly strangers who God when sends one brother to strengthen another brother or sister in the lord .

Most likely many of this Christian Chat board

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

We do not wrestles against flesh and blood as those sent by the spirit of the antichrist to give the illusion the kingdom of God comes by observation as in the beginning when Satan who has no form put his lies on the lips of a creature that did have from

God sends spirits to do His bidding not being served by human hands as that seen in any way shape or form.

The book of Enoch is not Christian material .Good Hollywood stuff for the special effect people, not enlightened by the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God through the scriptures . Ee are made aware of the wiles of the father of lies .The great illusionist .

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Again why represent that we do wretles against the things seen... does his Kingdom come by observing the temporal that will go up in smoke ?

Quotes from the Bible that are from 1Enoch

1 Enoch 10
1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire.
1Enoch 12
12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is 13 for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and 14 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever.

The Book of Enoch has been proven to have been written before the New Testament.
And so it has to be where the quotes must have came from

2 Peter
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Enoch was verified as a prophet. He has a book. You should read it. There is information in it that sheds light on matters not taught these days in most denominations and that goes for Christian denominations. The best part about it is that Enoch prophesied in the first chapter of his book that his book was not for that generation but for the generation in the last days. And it is just recently getting popular and recognized as scripture by many who see in their Bible that He is indeed a prophet and he did write a Book. And God called him a righteous scribe.

1Enoch

1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai,
[And appear from His camp]
And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.

5 And all shall be smitten with fear
And the Watchers shall quake,
And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.

6 And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame

7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the earth shall perish,
And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).

Someone added a word to the Bible phrase. Here is how it actually reads:
KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
It doesn't say "as many men as are led" and it doesn't say (alone)!
And don't forget...we are not alone.
And it could be speaking of angels as it is in so many other verses
found in the KJV.

So what language was in written in since mankind didn't obtain the ability to write the spoken word until the LORD taught Moses?

Since the Egyptians who were the most advanced civilization on earth at that time of the Exodus, that would have been over a thousand years after the book of Enoch would have been written, then if no evidence exists of any nation using the written word until the after the time period of the Exodus, it might be that it is because it didn't happen before the time period of the Exodus.

And when did Enoch write this book since it is said to contain things which he could have only have know after he was not, when God took him, so how did that book get back to earth for man to read?

Not sure where you get your History lessons from, but you may want to do some research.
Have you ever heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh? The oldest known civilization came fully adorned with language, arts, astrology and sacrificial ceremonies. I think Noah was his great grandfather or maybe great great grandfather. Noah was great, of that I have no doubt. Gilgamesh... kind of an evil jerk. But he could write. Fortunately they wrote on stones and not paper or we wouldn't have these writings to ponder. Anyohhow, the language and the writing must have come from the other side of the flood as there is no record or evidence of progression. Me Tarzan-you Jane. It just sort of popped up in the fertile crescent fully schooled. Go figure.

As for Enoch writing about future events... well that is one of the things that prophets do. God knows the beginning and the end. He told Enoch and He wrote it down. What language? No clue. That whole tower of babel thing and the languages getting confused kind of makes it hard to pen down. : )

But a whole lot of new languages just sort of popped up out of nowhere. All the tribes all the of the sudden could no longer speak their native tongue. They just started speaking whatever language God assigned each tribe. And I will wager their new tongue came with an alphabet though maybe only blessed to a few scribes of each tribe. But how can we know. All I really know for certain is every ancient culture came fully versed with their own language. Watch Trey Smiths Noah for more very interesting facts on this matter and others.