How did the giants survive a global flood?

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Jewel5712

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There were giants in the earth in those days;
Genesis 6:4

So if there were giants living amongst men before the 'flood' then how does one reconcile the scriptural accounts of giants after the flood, for example in 2 Sam 21:20 of “a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”
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According to Numbers 13:33, they later inhabited Canaan at the time of the Israelite conquest of Canaan.
The Lord said to Moses, "Send men to spy out the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the Israelites" ... So they went up and spied out the land ... And they told him: "... Yet the people who live in the land are strong, and the towns are fortified and very large; and besides, we saw the descendants of Anak there." ... So they brought to the Israelites an unfavorable report of the land that they had spied out, saying, "The land that we have gone through as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people that we saw in it are of great size. There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."​
 
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theanointedsinner

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I pray for Jewel's protection, may nothing bad happen to Jewel
 

Jewel5712

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I read some graphic description from your comments on what alien angels did to women
Well..thank you for your prayers and yes. Its interesting but dont know if it answered the original question ;)
 
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theanointedsinner

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Well..thank you for your prayers and yes. Its interesting but dont know if it answered the original question ;)
the internet is very strange, even if the question is answered, discussion will continue as if there's no answer yet, you know how it is
 

garee

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in short, the question on this thread makes the wrong assumption

the truth is, all giants died in the flood
and Satan tries to create more giants on earth
The truth is administering spirts, as angel, they have no flesh and blood or DNA needed to multiple not being made after the rudiments of this world (dust and water or flesh and blood), They are not and never could be subject to the commandment; to be fruitful and multiply.. but are sexless( neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile as nations of this world ). The same kind of giants that were before the flood exist today .Many are part of the sport of basketball . I would suggest its simply a diversion tactic of the god of this world in a hope some will walk or beleive God by sight as if the kingdom of God was of this world. And not by faith (the unseen) as revealed in the scriptures. No flesh and blood angels.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 

mcubed

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#89
There were giants in the earth in those days;
Genesis 6:4

So if there were giants living amongst men before the 'flood' then how does one reconcile the scriptural accounts of giants after the flood, for example in 2 Sam 21:20 of “a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”
Where did Sultan Kosen,8'3" Don Koehler,8'2" Brahim Takioullah,8'1"....

The list actually goes on of giants today.... What makes them ... genetics I'm sure, not a geneticist but not unheard of....

We even have the most famous Andre the Giant but he was short comparatively, at 7'4".

I'm sure if I look up people born with 6 fingers and 6 towes I can find them too...
 

JohnRH

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There were giants in the earth in those days;
Genesis 6:4

So if there were giants living amongst men before the 'flood' then how does one reconcile the scriptural accounts of giants after the flood, for example in 2 Sam 21:20 of “a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”
The giants before the flood descended from Adam & Eve. The giants after the flood descended from Adam & Eve through Mr. & Mrs. Noah.
 

Zmouth

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The list actually goes on of giants today.... What makes them ... genetics I'm sure, not a geneticist but not unheard of....
That goes to the premise of the discussion.

By selective breeding they have taken breeds of cattle and produced miniature bulls and heifers of that species. However, the smaller offspring retain the same physical image of the species, that being the height/weight proportion found in the larger sized cattle, they are just simply smaller.

In a previous post the African pygmy was referenced, unlike the genetic trait of dwarfism which results in the disproportion found along with the smaller than average size body, the smaller yet proportionate physical size of the pygmy suggests that it was not a result of genetic variant but from the reproduction between smaller mates. So that gets up to the point that larger than average size persons, or giants, could have reappeared after the flood simply by larger sized humans mating with larger sized mates.

In such, while certain traits like height are said to be genetically driven, thus child to a 5 foot tall and a 6 foot tall set of progenitors could be a little shorter than the smaller progenitor or a little taller than the tallest progenitor, the newly form cell will grow to a height within that window. However, while the scriptures denote these individuals referred unto as giants were present from the beginning when men began to multiply upon the face of the earth, the scriptures denote the giants have the physical trait of having 6 fingers on each hand and 6 toes on each foot. So in addition to to their larger average size that of other men, the additional digits of the giants would suggest it is a genetic trait and not a genetic mutation.

Since the question for the discussion was how did these larger sized humans, with the addition digit on each appendage appear after the flood if only people having five digits per appendage survived a global flood resulting in a mass elimination of human life. Genetics would tell one that unless one of the 5 digit progenitors that begin to reproduce after the flood had acquired that gene at some point in their lineage then it wouldn't have reappeared after the flood.

In consideration of Matthew 7:6, one might consider that the scriptures of the OT are written in such a manner as to give one the delusion of being able to simply pick up the Bible and hear the word of God at face value, when in fact the hidden manna reveals the secret things that one must hears such a Noah's flood where the LORD gives the promise that when he brings a cloud over the earth like a garment, that the earth would never be covered by the waters of a flood again. Especially in consideration of 2 Peter 1:20.
 

Zmouth

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The giants before the flood descended from Adam & Eve. The giants after the flood descended from Adam & Eve through Mr. & Mrs. Noah.
That is possible, yet read the short passage from Genesis 6:1-4;

6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Now consider the following;

When did men began to multiply upon the face of the earth? From the beginning? Genesis 1:28

When did the LORD set man's lifespan in the flesh to a 120 years? From the beginning? Ps 119:89

Thus in Genesis 1:4, "... since there were giants in the earth in those days, (the beginning) and also after that...." it could be interpreted that these larger than average sized humans were present from the time men began to multiply upon the face of the earth.

But would you believe the LORD if he asked you if you believed that Adam married a man in the beginning? No?

The scripture says that when men began to multiply upon the face of the earth, so was there more than one man made in the beginning, if not then how could daughters be born unto 'them' if 'them' refers to the men who procreated. So if you don't believe that Adam married a man in the beginning then do you believe the Bible wherein it is written in Genesis 5:2:

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Then if you wouldn't believe that Adam (female) married a man (male), then who is teaching you except you are teaching yourself.
 

Zmouth

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I would suggest its simply a diversion tactic of the god of this world in a hope some will walk or beleive God by sight as if the kingdom of God was of this world. And not by faith (the unseen) as revealed in the scriptures. .
Where do you see that written in the scriptures? So did you know that you walked by faith and not by sight before or after you saw that written in the scriptures? It is written that the scriptures were written not because you do not know the truth, but because you know the truth and that no lie is of the truth. While these are rhetorical questions, the following question is not and neither is it to suggest that you are not saved which I am not even questioning, yet rather the who in 1 Tim 2:4 , "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Since man learns, or hears the word of God by one source, then what is your one source for the word of God?

Unless one is taught, then they don't know and if they don't know then by seeing they can't see and by hearing they still can't hear, which is why the Holy Spirit is given to those who teach themselves.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Luke 11:13

If you only source is the Bible then did you hear that man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD doth man live or didn't you see that it is written, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
 

Nauga

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There were giants in the earth in those days;
Genesis 6:4

So if there were giants living amongst men before the 'flood' then how does one reconcile the scriptural accounts of giants after the flood, for example in 2 Sam 21:20 of “a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
So how did the giants come upon the Earth? Of course! It was when the fallen angels took and bred the human women...Then the flood...After the flood, it happened again. The giants died in the flood but the fallen angels did not. The result was the same as the first time. giants and other Nephilim.
 

Nauga

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Your Gen 6:4 is incomplete.

Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown.

So, your question is technically answered by a better reading.

There are several possibilities:

a) sons of God were again somehow influencing middle east after the flood - thats why Israel was commanded to kill them all without mercy.

b) willful cultivation, like some special clan being cultivated to be a clan of giant warriors for centuries.

c) some "random" genetic mutation in some clan making people to grow extraordinary big.

c) "giant" does not necessarily have to mean "giant body", it was quite a common term for somebody being excellent, powerful and famous (kings, rulers, famous warriors, half-gods etc).
Well, you started off good....
 

Nauga

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What makes a Giant?

DNA

DNA came through the flood in 8 people.

the DNA for a giant came with them

Eventually one was born, then others, and then you had what many would call giants.
Nope
 

Nauga

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Hello pj,

According to Enoch's description of the offspring of the angels, the watchers of heaven, they were 300 cubits tall. The cubit was approx. 15 to 18 inches, i.e. a foot and a half. When we do the math, that puts their offspring at over 400 ft tall. The people that you are speaking about, such as Og king of Bashan and Goliath were just larger men and would not appear to belong to the offspring of the watchers.
Well for that matter Enoch described them as actually reaching heights of 3000 ells. An ell is equal to 1.4 meters. Now thats tall!
 

PennEd

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I am fully convinced that fallen Angels took on human form and mated with human women. Jude, the brother of Jesus, used the term ANGELS! NOT "sons of God". Although I am also fully convinced that sons of God is referring to Angels in Genesis 6.

Jude:6 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own HABITATION, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Now notice the same word HABITATION in this verse. I believe these are the only 2 places in the NT this word is used to describe the bodies we will have IN HEAVEN.
2 Corithians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [b]HABITATION which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.

THAT'S the key. The fallen Angels LEFT their Heavenly bodies and Jude further relates that it was SEXUAL sin that caused them to be held in everlasting chains in darkness by linking them to the sexual sin of Sodom and Gomorrah by going after "strange flesh".
Jude:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Sex with human women WAS THE SIN! Yes we know that IN HEAVEN they don't have sex or procreate, but they LEFT their Heavenly bodies. And procreation may have been THE reason satan was able to convince 1/3 of the Angels to to do this wicked deed. Lowly human beings were made to procreate and were encouraged to do so! this is something, with all the bliss of Heaven, that the Angels were unable to do in their Heavenly "habitations".

I'll leave the Nephillim for another post. May the skewering of me commence!!!
 

Zmouth

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Well for that matter Enoch described them as actually reaching heights of 3000 ells. An ell is equal to 1.4 meters. Now thats tall!
Oh ok, so you believe in the book of Enoch who described things which he could have only seen after God took him.

And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. Gen 5:24

So how did Enoch's book find its way back to earth? Funny thing is, why didn't Jesus remember he took Enoch to heaven if he was God since his testimony in the flesh was "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (see John 3:13)