Speaking in tongues

that is not what only they are for . 1cor 12 to 14 say many times how it is too, defying for the person. he who speaks in an unknown tongues speaks to God that is a benefit unless speaking to God is not one? he who speaks in tongues edifies himself all said in 1cor 13 and 14

Let's go back to the concept of "edification" (and cognates). As used in Scripture, is edification good or bad?

So are we in the old covenant or new covenant?

I don't blame you for being clueless. At what point did the new covenant become effective?

Rev 14:
13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

That very moment when the angel spoke those words and John wrote them down- that particular second, the new covenant was ratified. This was in 3.5 AD ( i know what i'm saying). Did Paul write Corinthians and was Acts written after or before the angel spoke Rev 14?

You actually need to go back to Daniel and ask for the understanding of the timeline. At the time of the Apostles, satan was being held at bay so that the apostles could finish witnessing, and during that small window, the Apostles witnessed through signs and wonders and miracles and displays- after that, everything is now fake.

Theology or understanding scriptures can not be based on what other people find rewarding. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus also said that the Father already knows your needs before you even ask- so, there's actually no point of speaking, God's will shall be done either way. The idea that praying in an unknown language is more effective is actually reducing God.

We have seen examples people praying and fasting and worshiping and yet none of them did in a language they didn't understand.

What explanation?

The Apostles were to set the foundation- they did and that time is long gone.
When was the new covenant effective? Are we in the new covenant or old covenant? If we are in the new covenant, then Jer 31 has come to effect. It is not me saying, it is God saying. It doesn't really matter how many people are teaching and evangelizing and speaking in tongues today- they are all wrong because God is right.

It is not safe to say that each one of us are taught by one of these- contrary, many are being misled by these. I used to follow them some time back but not any more, the words by prophet Isaiah came true for me:

Isa 30:20Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”22Then you will desecrate your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, “Away with you!”

It really gets to you that I am correct on the scriptures. I cannot help that as I can do no less. The Lord corrects me and chastens my heart plenty but I do not abuse the word of God.

We all will have plenty to account for when we stand before Jesus. Our works will be tried in the fire. We will not ever be called upon to apologize for the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Denying the truth does not change the truth. You would wish evil on another believer? Scripture has a warning about that saying that wishing evil on another may cause it to pass him and visit you.

You are not presenting a biblical argument. You are presenting a false narrative.

One day all things will be made mainfest. Each man must give his own account to the Lord who bought him with His precious blood. There will be no interest in how others are judged only self. God through Christ deals on an individual basis with each and every soul brought into this world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Self edification from what a few of the commentators are willing to offer on the passage in 1 Cor 14 is limited to emotional gratification. There is no lasting edification because it is not shared with others as prophecy would be shared and many would be blessed. Sort of like eating a candy bar then telling a hungry person how good it tasted.

I was in church and the lesson was in the Psalms. I was reading Psalm 53 and it is a Psalm where David is crying out to the Lord about those who are afflicting him. It was remarkable to consider that the Psalm was translated into English so I could read it and be blessed. If it were in its original Hebrew I could not read and understand the Psalm. Without knowledge of what was written I could receive no instruction or knowledge and no blessing. Because of knowledge and understanding there was blessing and progression toward wisdom in the Lord.

If you want edification apart from knowledge then get a Greek NT and use that in place of your English bible. Report back and let us know how that works out for you. LOL

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It's unfortunate that instead of answering my question, you provided commentary and anecdotes. Care to try again?

LOL to what end? You have demonstrated that you do not care.

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Roger

lol you wish it did . Hahaha don't flatter yourself . The idea that the Lord has corrrected youis a good thing. The idea that a HE use another man to do it offends you. I can careless what you think , the idea you have concerning the gifts of The Holy Spirit are not founded in scripture . 1cor 12 to 14 speak of the charismata eph 4:11 speaks of the Domata all gifts given to the church today . And all are relevent to the church today. we will be called on to give an account of the word we taught .

God could use another man to teach me the word of God. But God will not allow another man to lead me astray from the scriptures. All of scripture teaches the wonder of God. If you were to receive all of the word of God you would not struggle with the three gifts that have passed away. Then again as we have observed I do not need to give account to God for as I have enough to account for of my own.

That is not an excuse to reject sound doctrine.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

In what world is repeatedly asking, challenging, stating, and questioning equivalent to not caring? Just answer the question.

To edify is to build up to strengthen to improve or to perfect. You can be edified in a tangible way or intangible. For a man to edify himself in unknown tongues is to produce a feeling of exuberance or well being. To edify others is the desired or preferred edification like that which is accomplished be prophecy.

I personally wonder if Paul was not provoking the Corinthians with this portion of scripture. Poking fun at them at their expense. He did so in the first couple verses of chapter 13 so verse 4 in chapter 14 could be a repeat lesson. Conjecture perhaps but rabbis often used this technique in their teachings so who knows.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

sure it is LOL

It has been my simple observation that some need no reason at all to reject sound doctrine. The most common reason is to fulfill the desires of the flesh. Feeling good is more important than to be obedient to Gods word.

Prov 26:18 ¶ As a mad man who casteth firebrands, arrows, and death,
19 So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in sport?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I would offer "charismata" as unseen spiritual gifts, and not Charismaticism (sign gift as that seen) used to seek after as evidence a person is being filled with the Holy Spirit (no sign gifts signs as wonders) those kind of signs are preserved for those who rebel against being led by the Holy Spirit

Even the Son of man refused to be called a daysman as I an infallible fleshly mediator or umpire.... set between God not seen and man seen, with an approval of both . It help us understand God is not a man as us. Job 9:32-33

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:32-33 (Both God and man)

When the Son of man ,Jesus was called good master(Rabbi) knowing no man can serve two he gave glory to God not seen represented by the father. Saying only God (not seen is good} establishing we walk by faith and not by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observation .In the same way as saying one is our father in heaven and not on earth .It applies to the word Master(Rabbi) or teacher .One is our teacher in heaven typified as a father

We are as new creatures are brothers and sisters and not daysmans as infallible umpires.

Twice to emphasize he uses the phrase one is your Master, even Christ

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Mathew 23:

The Greek word translated "edifies" in 1 Cor 14 is used at least 11 times in the New Testament. Though the definition given in your first two sentences is acceptably consistent with Scripture, your comments suggest that you want it to mean something different when applied to speaking in tongues. Perhaps you should look up the other uses.