YOKE OF BONDAGE

But man seems to reject the Sabbaths of God.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 ¶ And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

I'll take the Spirit of adoption. Even Abraham did not call God Father. Moses did not call God Father, nor David or any of the patriarchs of the faith. We by adoption are children of God and call Him who created all things Father.

Christ took off my yoke of bondage and gave me the Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Man should live by Faith in the Word which became Flesh, as did Abraham, our example of faith.

you quoted it; it's written. what are these statutes and ordinances
He gave that were 'not good' and when did He give them?

Not you, it's this other dude who has been constantly slandering me for the last year.

None of the Old Testament characters called God Father, they weren't born again. Another little side note, how do you get a birthing (born again) as well as an adoption?

verse 26 has "that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire"
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=pass through the fire

again the statues in ver. 25 are not Gods statues mentioned in ver. 24


Ezekiel 20:26 and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts,
in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire,
that I might make them desolate and that they might know that I am the Lord.”

Where did they get Molech worship from originally?
Is this the golden calf - burning living children inside?

Romans 4: 17. As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed: God, who gives life to the dead, and calls the things that are not, as though they were. 18. Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, "So will your seed be." 19. Without being weakened in faith, he didn't consider his own body, already having been worn out, (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah's womb. 20. Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21. and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was also able to perform. 22. Therefore it also was "reckoned to him for righteousness." 23. Now it was not written that it was accounted to him for his sake alone, 24. but for our sake also, to whom it will be accounted, who believe in him who raised Jesus, our Lord, from the dead, 25. who was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification.
yes and is it just anything about the word which became flesh? is it enough to Simply believe that there is one God? or believe in him who raised Jesus, our Lord, from the dead? should we believe that he was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification?
as it is written
Romans 5: 1. Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2. through whom we also have our access by faith into this grace in which we stand. We rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3. Not only this, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering works perseverance; 4. and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope: 5. and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6. For while we were yet weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7. For one will hardly die for a righteous man. Yet perhaps for a righteous person someone would even dare to die. 8. But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him. 10. For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we will be saved by his life. 11. Not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
To God be the glory!

yes and is it just anything about the word which became flesh? is it enough to Simply believe that there is one God? or believe in him who raised Jesus, our Lord, from the dead? should we believe that he was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification?

28 And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).

When did God say this to man ? that's not recorded in genesis.
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2 Kings 16:3 (KJV)
But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through
the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out
from before the children of Israel.

Joshua 24:14 (KJV)
Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods
which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.

Joshua 24:2 (KJV)
And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt
on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father
of Nahor: and they served other gods.


Joshua 24:3 (KJV)
And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him
throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.

Joshua 24:15 (KJV)
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord.

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments,
my statutes, and my laws.
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Then God turned and gave them up to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book
of the Prophets: ‘Did you offer Me slaughtered animals and sacrifices during forty years in
the wilderness, O house of Israel? Acts 7:42

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them:..... Acts 7:43.....

worship the host of heaven
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=worship the host of heaven
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22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them
out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
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When did Job live ? The Book of Job states:

27 If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness,
so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand;

28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:27-28).

Observing of the sun and moon, whereby one is enticed, as well kissing one's own hand,
are believed by most commentators to have been practices associated with idolatry.
an iniquity deserving of judgement


Commandment 3:

7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord
will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)

The Book of Job states:

5 It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts (Job 1:5).
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).
9 Curse God and die! (Job 2:9).

10 In all this, Job did not sin with his lips (Job 2:10).


The third commandment is clearly shown in Job to have been understood.
It is clear that before Mount Sinai one could 'sin with his lips,' and that 'sin' was
known to exist then (after Mount Sinai, God did tell the Israelites that the people
who used to live in the land sinned by violating this command, Leviticus 18:21,27).

21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit
any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled Leviticus 18:21,27

As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed:

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

" Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God,"

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him))



satan also believes that Jesus was delivered up for our trespasses. That there is only one God. So does the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, Benny Hinn, the list goes on and on.

But satan tries to deceive us, not into believing He doesn't exist, but into believing His instructions are irrelevant. That they are not for our own good, that they are a burden created to keep us ignorant. It deceived Eve, not into believing God/Jesus doesn't exist, but into trusting her own reason, her own vision, her own mind, over the instructions of the Word. Abraham was told to reject "His existence" and to trust God. Not just believe that He exists. The message throughout the Bible is not just to have the instruction and believe they are from God, but to trust God enough to follow them as Abraham did.

And those who set out to have the Faith of Abraham, these are the ones satan goes after. as it is written.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (Like Abraham) shall be justified.

Not by sacrificial "Works" created for justification "till the Seed should come", but by "the Faith of Abraham".

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, (Justification by "works" of a Levite Priest) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"

Did Jesus reconcile us to God so we could create our own faith? So that we could "Judge God's Word" as burdensome, unjust, not worthy of our respect and honor? So that we can reject what God deems Holy, Good, Sanctified and create our own righteousness?

Isn't this what the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did? Why did Zechariahs know Jesus but the Pharisees didn't. Did Zechariahs exhibit the "Faith of Abraham"?

"and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us"

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Have you found another way, Peter didn't know about, to receive the holy Spirit?

Like the Bible as a whole says over and over and over. If we love God, we will do as He says.

But you preach to others that His instructions are "Grievous". And you use "parts" of God's Word, Laws that were never even given to you, to support your religious tradition.

You even go so far as to suggest that Peter and James taught against God's Commandments in Acts 15. That somehow, the Pharisees from Jerusalem had become obedient to God's Laws, and were now trying to make the New Converts Love God, and love the stranger as themselves, don't hate their brother in their heart, don't create images in the likeness of men, not to create "Feasts unto the Lord" along with physical circumcision.

And you imply that Peter and James rebuked these obedient Mainstream Preachers of their time and told the new converts not to obey God's Commandments. That THEY were the Yoke the Fathers couldn't bear, not the doctrines they taught from the commandments of men as Jesus said.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

It seems that many of your religious doctrines are not based on the Bible as a whole, as I understand your posts, and have set about to show this to you, not with my mind, but with God's Word. Not to convert you to any religion, but to help you see what God's Word has warned about so many times.

You are a smart guy, you know the point I'm trying to make so my work here is done.

As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed:

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

" Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God,"

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him))



satan also believes that Jesus was delivered up for our trespasses. That there is only one God. So does the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, Benny Hinn, the list goes on and on.

But satan tries to deceive us, not into believing He doesn't exist, but into believing His instructions are irrelevant. That they are not for our own good, that they are a burden created to keep us ignorant. It deceived Eve, not into believing God/Jesus doesn't exist, but into trusting her own reason, her own vision, her own mind, over the instructions of the Word. Abraham was told to reject "His existence" and to trust God. Not just believe that He exists. The message throughout the Bible is not just to have the instruction and believe they are from God, but to trust God enough to follow them as Abraham did.

And those who set out to have the Faith of Abraham, these are the ones satan goes after. as it is written.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (Like Abraham) shall be justified.

Not by sacrificial "Works" created for justification "till the Seed should come", but by "the Faith of Abraham".

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, (Justification by "works" of a Levite Priest) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"

Did Jesus reconcile us to God so we could create our own faith? So that we could "Judge God's Word" as burdensome, unjust, not worthy of our respect and honor? So that we can reject what God deems Holy, Good, Sanctified and create our own righteousness?

Isn't this what the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did? Why did Zechariahs know Jesus but the Pharisees didn't. Did Zechariahs exhibit the "Faith of Abraham"?

"and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us"

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Have you found another way, Peter didn't know about, to receive the holy Spirit?

Like the Bible as a whole says over and over and over. If we love God, we will do as He says.

But you preach to others that His instructions are "Grievous". And you use "parts" of God's Word, Laws that were never even given to you, to support your religious tradition.

You even go so far as to suggest that Peter and James taught against God's Commandments in Acts 15. That somehow, the Pharisees from Jerusalem had become obedient to God's Laws, and were now trying to make the New Converts Love God, and love the stranger as themselves, don't hate their brother in their heart, don't create images in the likeness of men, not to create "Feasts unto the Lord" along with physical circumcision.

And you imply that Peter and James rebuked these obedient Mainstream Preachers of their time and told the new converts not to obey God's Commandments. That THEY were the Yoke the Fathers couldn't bear, not the doctrines they taught from the commandments of men as Jesus said.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

It seems that many of your religious doctrines are not based on the Bible as a whole, as I understand your posts, and have set about to show this to you, not with my mind, but with God's Word. Not to convert you to any religion, but to help you see what God's Word has warned about so many times.

You are a smart guy, you know the point I'm trying to make so my work here is done.

As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed:

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

" Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God,"

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him))



satan also believes that Jesus was delivered up for our trespasses. That there is only one God. So does the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, Benny Hinn, the list goes on and on.

But satan tries to deceive us, not into believing He doesn't exist, but into believing His instructions are irrelevant. That they are not for our own good, that they are a burden created to keep us ignorant. It deceived Eve, not into believing God/Jesus doesn't exist, but into trusting her own reason, her own vision, her own mind, over the instructions of the Word. Abraham was told to reject "His existence" and to trust God. Not just believe that He exists. The message throughout the Bible is not just to have the instruction and believe they are from God, but to trust God enough to follow them as Abraham did.

And those who set out to have the Faith of Abraham, these are the ones satan goes after. as it is written.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (Like Abraham) shall be justified.

Not by sacrificial "Works" created for justification "till the Seed should come", but by "the Faith of Abraham".

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, (Justification by "works" of a Levite Priest) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"

Did Jesus reconcile us to God so we could create our own faith? So that we could "Judge God's Word" as burdensome, unjust, not worthy of our respect and honor? So that we can reject what God deems Holy, Good, Sanctified and create our own righteousness?

Isn't this what the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did? Why did Zechariahs know Jesus but the Pharisees didn't. Did Zechariahs exhibit the "Faith of Abraham"?

"and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us"

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Have you found another way, Peter didn't know about, to receive the holy Spirit?

Like the Bible as a whole says over and over and over. If we love God, we will do as He says.

But you preach to others that His instructions are "Grievous". And you use "parts" of God's Word, Laws that were never even given to you, to support your religious tradition.

You even go so far as to suggest that Peter and James taught against God's Commandments in Acts 15. That somehow, the Pharisees from Jerusalem had become obedient to God's Laws, and were now trying to make the New Converts Love God, and love the stranger as themselves, don't hate their brother in their heart, don't create images in the likeness of men, not to create "Feasts unto the Lord" along with physical circumcision.

And you imply that Peter and James rebuked these obedient Mainstream Preachers of their time and told the new converts not to obey God's Commandments. That THEY were the Yoke the Fathers couldn't bear, not the doctrines they taught from the commandments of men as Jesus said.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

It seems that many of your religious doctrines are not based on the Bible as a whole, as I understand your posts, and have set about to show this to you, not with my mind, but with God's Word. Not to convert you to any religion, but to help you see what God's Word has warned about so many times.

You are a smart guy, you know the point I'm trying to make so my work here is done.

As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed:

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

" Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God,"

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him))



satan also believes that Jesus was delivered up for our trespasses. That there is only one God. So does the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, Benny Hinn, the list goes on and on.

But satan tries to deceive us, not into believing He doesn't exist, but into believing His instructions are irrelevant. That they are not for our own good, that they are a burden created to keep us ignorant. It deceived Eve, not into believing God/Jesus doesn't exist, but into trusting her own reason, her own vision, her own mind, over the instructions of the Word. Abraham was told to reject "His existence" and to trust God. Not just believe that He exists. The message throughout the Bible is not just to have the instruction and believe they are from God, but to trust God enough to follow them as Abraham did.

And those who set out to have the Faith of Abraham, these are the ones satan goes after. as it is written.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (Like Abraham) shall be justified.

Not by sacrificial "Works" created for justification "till the Seed should come", but by "the Faith of Abraham".

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, (Justification by "works" of a Levite Priest) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"

Did Jesus reconcile us to God so we could create our own faith? So that we could "Judge God's Word" as burdensome, unjust, not worthy of our respect and honor? So that we can reject what God deems Holy, Good, Sanctified and create our own righteousness?

Isn't this what the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did? Why did Zechariahs know Jesus but the Pharisees didn't. Did Zechariahs exhibit the "Faith of Abraham"?

"and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us"

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Have you found another way, Peter didn't know about, to receive the holy Spirit?

Like the Bible as a whole says over and over and over. If we love God, we will do as He says.

But you preach to others that His instructions are "Grievous". And you use "parts" of God's Word, Laws that were never even given to you, to support your religious tradition.

You even go so far as to suggest that Peter and James taught against God's Commandments in Acts 15. That somehow, the Pharisees from Jerusalem had become obedient to God's Laws, and were now trying to make the New Converts Love God, and love the stranger as themselves, don't hate their brother in their heart, don't create images in the likeness of men, not to create "Feasts unto the Lord" along with physical circumcision.

And you imply that Peter and James rebuked these obedient Mainstream Preachers of their time and told the new converts not to obey God's Commandments. That THEY were the Yoke the Fathers couldn't bear, not the doctrines they taught from the commandments of men as Jesus said.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

It seems that many of your religious doctrines are not based on the Bible as a whole, as I understand your posts, and have set about to show this to you, not with my mind, but with God's Word. Not to convert you to any religion, but to help you see what God's Word has warned about so many times.

You are a smart guy, you know the point I'm trying to make so my work here is done.

do you believe that being justified by faith, is the same as doing a set of actions with your hands, or in the case of the Sabbath a set of inactions?

is the New Covenant in your view simply a different set of actions to take? Or is it a different lifestyle? Is it walking by the spirit.

I think the people who recognized Jesus did so because they were in tune with God. Very simple.

of course God's commands, his instructions in the New Covenant are not too hard to bear.
Galatians 6: 1. Brothers, even if a man is caught in some fault, you who are spiritual must restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to yourself so that you also aren't tempted. 2. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3. For if a man thinks himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4. But let each man test his own work, and then he will take pride in himself and not in his neighbor. 5. For each man will bear his own burden. 6. But let him who is taught in the word share all good things with him who teaches. 7. Don't be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8. For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9. Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don't give up. 10. So then, as we have opportunity, let's do what is good toward all men, and especially toward those who are of the household of the faith.
I think the way to receive the holy spirit is to believe that Jesus was sent from God. That is to believe in the one that God has sent. And that God raised from the dead. This is the instruction, the good news that we are to obey.

I believe what the Bible teaches about Faith. That Eve didn't have it but Abraham did. That Cain didn't have it but Abel did. That many in Israel didn't have it, but Caleb did. That Saul and the Pharisees didn't have it but Zechariahs did. And the one thing that separated them was their "WORKS". One side of the example chose "man's" thoughts and works, while the other side of the example chose "God's" Words and Works. These all "Let their Light shine", they didn't have some secret respect and honor for God that they hid in their mind while following the religious traditions of the land.

I also know that very cleaver, very subtle voices are at work which sound reasonable, which sound righteous to man, but are there to convince religious man, as they did Eve, to question and reason within ourselves the relevance of God's instruction. And Jesus Himself said "many" would choose it's voice over God's. I think the evidence of this in Mainstream religion is over whelming.

The New Covenant is exactly what Jesus said it was. A change in the Priesthood. How sin's are forgiven, formally involved Levite Priest's performing "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

And how God's Law is administered, formally given to the people though the Levite Priests.

There is nowhere that your actions or my actions are even mentioned. How religious man can use Jer. 31 to preach God changed His definition of sin, or made immaterial the Law and Prophets is astounding. And the fact that so "many" people buy into this preaching is truly a testimony of wisdom and foresight of the Word which became Flesh when He told us in Jeremiah 5 and 6.

30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

So yes, I do believe our actions show our Faith, and our works show what or who we have faith in. And the Lord's Holy, Sanctified, set apart Sabbath is a Work of Almighty God. Walking in it is walking in the Spirit. This is why I don't believe what you preach about God's Instructions, because they are from the Light of the World, and the Righteous examples of the Bible chose them over other voices to guides their footsteps.

I believe that Jesus intended for us to choose Him as well?

As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed:

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

" Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God,"

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him))



satan also believes that Jesus was delivered up for our trespasses. That there is only one God. So does the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, Benny Hinn, the list goes on and on.

But satan tries to deceive us, not into believing He doesn't exist, but into believing His instructions are irrelevant. That they are not for our own good, that they are a burden created to keep us ignorant. It deceived Eve, not into believing God/Jesus doesn't exist, but into trusting her own reason, her own vision, her own mind, over the instructions of the Word. Abraham was told to reject "His existence" and to trust God. Not just believe that He exists. The message throughout the Bible is not just to have the instruction and believe they are from God, but to trust God enough to follow them as Abraham did.

And those who set out to have the Faith of Abraham, these are the ones satan goes after. as it is written.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (Like Abraham) shall be justified.

Not by sacrificial "Works" created for justification "till the Seed should come", but by "the Faith of Abraham".

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, (Justification by "works" of a Levite Priest) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"

Did Jesus reconcile us to God so we could create our own faith? So that we could "Judge God's Word" as burdensome, unjust, not worthy of our respect and honor? So that we can reject what God deems Holy, Good, Sanctified and create our own righteousness?

Isn't this what the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did? Why did Zechariahs know Jesus but the Pharisees didn't. Did Zechariahs exhibit the "Faith of Abraham"?

"and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us"

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Have you found another way, Peter didn't know about, to receive the holy Spirit?

Like the Bible as a whole says over and over and over. If we love God, we will do as He says.

But you preach to others that His instructions are "Grievous". And you use "parts" of God's Word, Laws that were never even given to you, to support your religious tradition.

You even go so far as to suggest that Peter and James taught against God's Commandments in Acts 15. That somehow, the Pharisees from Jerusalem had become obedient to God's Laws, and were now trying to make the New Converts Love God, and love the stranger as themselves, don't hate their brother in their heart, don't create images in the likeness of men, not to create "Feasts unto the Lord" along with physical circumcision.

And you imply that Peter and James rebuked these obedient Mainstream Preachers of their time and told the new converts not to obey God's Commandments. That THEY were the Yoke the Fathers couldn't bear, not the doctrines they taught from the commandments of men as Jesus said.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

It seems that many of your religious doctrines are not based on the Bible as a whole, as I understand your posts, and have set about to show this to you, not with my mind, but with God's Word. Not to convert you to any religion, but to help you see what God's Word has warned about so many times.

You are a smart guy, you know the point I'm trying to make so my work here is done.

when did job live is an interesting question. I'm not sure, but I think it's unclear.

"As one commentator puts it, "there are no irrefutable clues" with respect to dating the book, such that "proposals have ranged over many centuries from before the time of Moses to the period between the testaments" (Alden, 25).1 "
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/11587/when-was-job-written#12901

The same Holy Spirit that gives us the new birth also gives us an adoption into the family of God. We become new creatures in Christ and children of the Most High God.