How long until the End?

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OstrichSmiling

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Considering all that is happening around the world, and considering all your study and research and what the Lord revealed to you, shown you, or caused you to understand... How long do you think we have until the end of all things or the end of the world as we know it? Let me point to the fact that I'm not asking you for a date and also perhaps take this opportunity to point out that a date has 4 components: a specific hour, in a specific day, in a specific month, in a specific year. In other words, how many more years do you think we have left until the Lord's return?
No one knows the day nor hour of our Lord's return.
Live your life in service to the will of God. Because for certain the end of that is assured for us all.
 
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While nobody knows the hour that Jesus will return the rapture will happen after the third temple is built and the antichrist is revealed and defiles the temple.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (MEV)

"Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and concerning our gathering together unto Him, we ask you not to let your mind be quickly shaken or be troubled, neither in spirit nor by word, nor by letter coming as though from us, as if the day of Christ is already here. Do not let anyone deceive you in any way. For that Day will not come unless a falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself as God."
 

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I don't believe anyone can give you a precise date , but we can clarify by what The LORD has given us in scripture to pin point were we are at this precise moment.

We first have to identify thee Little Horn of Daniel 7​

The Codex Justinianus points to the individual , that has taken the seat of Satan in Revelation 13:12​




This very document points to a specific event in time , that takes place in the book of Revelations . Also by reviewing this statue that Rome adopted by Emperor Justinian ( The Continuation of thee Roman Empire or New Rome ) , we can clearly identify who was him that was given thee power , seat along with it's authority of the Roman Empire .

Revelation 13:12​

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

With this much truth that is documented in this historic record , upon this event , there no need to have speculation on who was given power to persecute the saints. There are many teaching that it is Islam Mahdi , or it is the President of the United States. But none of these are valid according to the prophecy.

For almost 1260 years , thee Bishop of Rome / Papacy used the power of the law , sword , and political alliances ( kings ) to put to death all who were against his authority.​


The Papacy is the Little Horn of Daniel 7​

Daniel 7:25​

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

We are living in the time line , when the Beast that was , has a head wound inflicted upon it at this precise moment .​



French troops commanded by Napoleon Bonaparte defeated the papal troops and occupied the Papal States in 1796. In 1798, upon his refusal to renounce his temporal power, Pius was taken prisoner and transported to France. He died one year later in Valence.

This event took away , the papacy kingship POWER over the people and many churches , making him a prisoner in Vatican walls. But this event did not kill the papacy, but left it in a wounded state.

But that wound is healing daily as time progress.​




The Lateran Treaty of 1929 giving the Papacy it's temporal power little by little , by encouraging the political powers to align with its decrees as in time past. Also to note this event establish the Papacy Kingship ruling once more.​






Pope Francis arrives for a plenary meeting of the United Nations Sustainable Development Summit

Due that thee head wound to the Papacy , stop thee 1260 days short before it's completion. At thee specific time when the 8 king written in the book of Revelation , receives his power and strength from the ten Kings , the 1260 day prophecy will begin to continue the count down to his end.

Revelation 17:12-13 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


As we can now evaluate by scripture how close is Christ Second Coming. As well as the Deadly Head wound being healed.

Who is Francis the I , according to prophecy.​

Knowing these things do not save , but now when we are given time to repent and get right with the LORD , is it not wise to choice what is pleasing to Him. Therefore let us keep our garments clean.

Thee ten kings are next to fulfill the prophecy timeline​

This should be a wake up call to many that have not submit to God ways understand and be aware how close , we are to be persecuted in all the world for Christ sake , as did many , when they were killed by the sword or there bodies given to the flame , while reforming the church away from the Bishop of Rome ( Beast ) and his anti Christ doctrine.

Shalom
 

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Its talking about 8 kingdoms not kings. the catholic church is getting weaker and is not the most powerful force on earth america is the most powerful force on earth and we are babylon.
 

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vic1980

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Henry Grattan Guinness



The book of Daniel is one of the fullest revelation on the future contained in the Bible ; it is unequalled for the variety minutesness of its historical detail , and for its breadth of range , both chronological and geographical.

The circumstances with the origin of the Papacy fulfill then the indication of the prophecy. The Babylonian Harlot is represented as enthrone upon many waters , which are nations and people. She governs the Beast and his ten horns ; and so unites a civil and religious supremacy . Now this is one of the most striking characteristics of the Church of Rome , and that Church only.



The man of sin , ... is the succession of the Roman Pontiffs , who for more than twelve centuries governed Papal Europe , who ranked temporal sovereigns , and united under their sway the kingdoms of western Christendom.

In Daniel Vision , the power in question is represented as a horn of the Roman Beast - " a little horn. "

- The Approaching End of the age -
By H. Grattan Guinness
pp 85 , 152 , 166 , 178 , 179

These are truths that Steven Anderson , will not address , due that he himself did not examine the history of the Roman Catholic Church , and it's power that the Bishop/ Papacy wield in time past Dem.



There are no 8th kingdoms in the Prophecy of Daniel , and we cannot change the wording in the Book of Revelation , from what is already presented to us by God Faithfully preserved .

They are 7 kings in lineage , that leads to thee eight , according to the Holy Scriptures

Revelations 17

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen , and one is , and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth , and is of the seven , and goeth into perdition.
Now we can address America in prophecy , there are no kings that rule america at this present time , but one thing is sure the papacy is trying to gain the power , that this country wields into its court. For what prophecy has clearly shown to us , upon the beast that was ( Eight King ) before he regain power . There has to come fourth , ten kings that have no kingdom as yet but will give there power and strength to the beast as verses 12 & 13 indicate in the Book of Revelations.

But this does not indicate that America is out of the picture in bible prophecy , for we are not sure how these ten kings will come about , could it be a world wide reset that usher in the ten ? Or a Joint Compact with all UN in agreement to unite i cannot say.

But time will tell , how about it will be , and when it is thee hour , as John Wycliffe wrote ...



Shalom​
 

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No one knows the day nor hour of our Lord's return.
Live your life in service to the will of God. Because for certain the end of that is assured for us all.
A very sensible attitude to take
 

Dem

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Well everybody has a sermon on when and who I say keep your eyes on the prize and stay close to Jesus. For the church still has a shaken to go through before He comes back for His Bride. even so come Lord come
 

p_rehbein

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Regardless of the exact date..........every day dawned is ONE DAY CLOSER..........sooooo
 

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Its talking about 8 kingdoms not kings. the catholic church is getting weaker and is not the most powerful force on earth america is the most powerful force on earth and we are babylon.
Considering all that is happening around the world, and considering all your study and research and what the Lord revealed to you, shown you, or caused you to understand... How long do you think we have until the end of all things or the end of the world as we know it? Let me point to the fact that I'm not asking you for a date and also perhaps take this opportunity to point out that a date has 4 components: a specific hour, in a specific day, in a specific month, in a specific year. In other words, how many more years do you think we have left until the Lord's return?

The statue of Dan. 2 shows gentile nations that rule over the people of Israel until they are restored to military control over Jerusalem. The iron in the statue shows the domination of Rome. The iron is a NATION that dominates Israel beginning when Rome invades Israel in 63 BC. and ending when Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

The iron is solid, mixed with clay at the feet/toes, but the iron is one complete piece that shows that the nation iron lasts from 63 BC until 1967, when Israel gained military control of Jerusalem, 2030 years.

Dem, You are right that the power of the Vatican "seems" diminished. But the statue iron is showing the power of Rome over Israel, not the planet, Israel and Iron Rome. The clay is non-Roman nations.

We are at the place between where the toes have ended (Israel is restored to Jerusalem), just before the stone strikes (Jesus comes for the kingdom).

So the 8 kings must all take place during the iron period, along with all the other related events. A period of 2030 yrs.

Five have fallen, 63 bc- 96 AD (approx) Caesar

One is #6, 96 ad (approx) Caesar

One lasts a little while #7, 96 ad until 476 ad, The Roman Empire iron receives a fatal blow and dies 476 AD. Caesars, Rome divides completely (symbolic 10).

8th head, 476 AD thru 1967, when the toes/horns end.

Now we are at the place between where the toes/horns have ended, and where the stone is about to strike.

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The beast is a nation, iron Rome. The 4th beast of Daniel 7. The beast of Rev 12 & 17.

The Antichrist is the head of that iron nation, Caesar before the fatal wound, the BoR after the wound.

The Antichrist/Caesar/BoR has been attacking Israel and the true kingdom for the last 1500 years.

It was revealed at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD that Caesar was the Antichrist and the Roman Empire was the iron.

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The 7 times are not 7 literal years. they represent the same time period as the statue of Daniel 2.

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According to the events shown by the 2 Witnesses (2W's), and the 7th trumpet, after Jerusalem falls this time, Jesus will come for us.
 
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Matthew 24:29-31 (MEV)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days,
‘the sun will be darkened,
the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."
 

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Matthew 24:29-31 (MEV)
Avalon1,

Matt 24, Mk 13, Lk 21, are parallel passages that show the time leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem (Dest of Jeru) by 70 ad.

The days of destruction ending by 70 ad

The time after 70 ad when the gentiles controlled the city and land known as the times of the gentiles (ToG's) Lk 21:20-24, 24.

And touches on the restoration of Israel to control of the city at the end of the times of the gentiles (ToG's).

The selected verses of Matt 24:29-31 speak of the ToG's after Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. and the gathering of Israel at the end of that time to be restored to control of Jerusalem.

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"Immediately after the tribulation of those days,

After Jerusalem is destroyed in 70 ad.

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‘the sun will be darkened,
the moon will not give its light;


The understanding of God, the Scriptures (OT), and salvation through Israel to the world is diminished.

The sun is symbolic of the Law. The moon reflects the Law light which is the Prophets.

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the stars will fall from heaven,

The stars are Israel falling from God's place of blessings, being killed and persecuted by the Roman beast during the ToG's. (70 AD - 1967)

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and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

The gospel kingdom is primarily preached by gentiles for this time period.

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“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

The trumpet that sounds is the 5th trumpet, the trumpet of separation (5). This trumpet calls Israel out of the gentile nations to restore Israel to control of Jerusalem at the end of the ToG's.

The sign of Jesus coming is the restoration of Israel to Jerusalem, 1967.

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What were you thinking?
 

abcdef

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The end is here.

The battle of Armageddon is about to take place. Israel will lose.

After Jerusalem falls, Jesus will come for the kingdom. Then this planet will be destroyed by fire.

Things will happen exactly like it says in the story of the 2 Witnesses and the 7th trumpet.
 

Ahwatukee

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The end is here.

The battle of Armageddon is about to take place. Israel will lose.

After Jerusalem falls, Jesus will come for the kingdom. Then this planet will be destroyed by fire.

Things will happen exactly like it says in the story of the 2 Witnesses and the 7th trumpet.
Hello abcdef,

The battle of Armageddon is not about to take place, as it is not until after the 6th bowl is poured out where those three demonic spirits gather the kings of the earth and their armies together and the Euphrates river is dried up to make way for the kings of the east, in conjunction with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age which takes place after the pouring out of the 7th bowl. That said, we have not even seen the 1st seal opened yet, i.e. that last seven years has not yet begun. And Prior to the first seal, the church must be removed from the earth and that has not yet happened.

Likewise, the two witnesses have not yet been revealed, but will be once the church has been removed and that seven year period begins. These two will prophecy from the beginning of the seven years up to the middle, which is when that angel of the Abyss, the beast who once was, now is not and yet will come up out of the Abyss. It is during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period in which they will prophesy. They will be killed by the beast and will resurrect and ascend up to heaven in the middle of the seven years. But as scripture states, the gathering of those kings and their armies for Armageddon will not take place until 6th bowl has been poured out in preparation for the Lord's return after the 7th bowl has been poured out. Therefore, from the time that the seven year covenant has been established it will be seven years before the gathering for Armageddon.
 

Blain

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As far years or months or anything that is of course uncertain but the end is indeed nigh and lot more close than most expect. When i became a Christian five years the first actual spiritual experience i had was me going in the rapture, i had no idea what that was at the time or what i just experienced but when i learned about it bible prophecy became my favorite field of study. only in the last three years however have i seen some major biblical signs of the end, the four blood moon tetrads were of course my first major sign to really dig deep into and from then on I studied the sun and the moon and how they relate to bible prophecy and Israel. The revelation 12 sign was baffling I never in a million years expected for scripture to actually happen in the sky like that.

There have been so many signs for a long time that people seem to downgrade and ignore what is happen right before them, and I admit so far all I have seen are signs- major ones yes but I cannot help but feel that something is coming and is fast approaching something that will happen out of nowhere unexpected and it will be the game changer no more seeing signs and ignoring them because that won't be possible anymore life will never ever be the same again. This is just a feeling i have in all honesty even though I recieved countless adreams and visions and even God himself has told me all this is closer than I think I still don't see any of this happening any time soon and yet that feeling of what is to come remains.
 

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Here is something to give some thought to ...

Why did thee Protestant Reformers call the Papacy thee Anti Christ , and why now are so many protestant churches , accepting Papal Supremacy , not only in America by around the world.

The adversary is very crafty when it comes to doctrine , he has had so much time , to twist the meaning of scriptures , to fit his own interpretation , just as he tried when tempting Messiah .

But what exactly is Rome theological definition of this trinitarian God ? Let one of there Vatican City King explain to us all in there own words.

John Paul II


In the Pope own words in a book named , Crossing the Threshold of Hope , it says the following .​

The Leader of the Catholic Church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ ( and is accepted as such by believers ) . The Pope is considered the man on earth who represents the Son of God , who " takes the place " of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity .​

" Have no fear when people call me the " Vicar of Christ , " when they say to me " Holy Father , " or your " "Holiness ," or use titles similar to these which seem even inimical to the Gospel. "​

- Crossing the threshold of Hope -​

by Pope John Paul II pp. 3 , 6​





Now you have a better stance why Vatican II , has work tirelessly for many years , to unite the Protestant Churches with Rome by a decree titled , The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification or JDDJ.

This document gives Satan access into the Temple as 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 has address to all believers were is it's located.

Shalom​
 

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Brothers and Sisters,

Understand this fact:

The statue of Daniel 2 is finished and the toes have ended. The stone is about to strike.

We are not in the iron anymore, we are at the very instant before the stone strikes.

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The iron in the statue of Daniel 2 begins when Rome invades Israel in 63 BC.

and ends when Israel is restored to military control over Jerusalem Lk 21:20-24,24, 1967.

The iron nation is continual over Israel, without any gaps, until it ends when Jerusalem is restored to Israel

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You all have been thinking that all the things are in the future, or that everything was finished by 70 AD. Both of these leave out the time between 70 ad and 1967, the Times of the Gentiles (ToG's). Lk 21:24, 70 AD - 1967, also known as the great tribulation/trouble of Israel.

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The beast is Rome and Caesar, with the false religion of the Antichrist being Caesar worship. (Worship the creation, man is god holy father, etc.)

First it was the Roman Empire 63 BC - 476 AD (Sea beast nation dies), then the image of the Roman Empire and Caesar (Earth beast nation makes image), the Vatican and the Antichrist Bishop of Rome, 476 AD - 1967.

These have attacked the natural branches for 2000 years, the time of the iron.

The iron ends when Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

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The 7 times are not 7 years. They are the same time period as the statue in Dan. 2.

The first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until the scattering of 70 AD. Proven by Dan 12:5-7.

The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967, also known as the ToG's. Lk 21:24.

The second 3 1/2 times is what the Revelation is centered on. This is the time after 70 AD when the Roman beast nation persecutes the natural broken branches and the kingdom.

The story repeats over and over from different points of view.

The 7 seals/trumpets, ........... The broken branches suffer the withdrawing of God's blessings of protection and are persecuted by Rome and the gentile nations.

The 2 Witnesses, .......... The broken natural branches, still loved of God and subject to the promises to the Fathers, wander outside Jerusalem until they are restored to Jerusalem.

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The 2 Witnesses are the natural branches, the flesh of Israel, now restored to Jerusalem. Their restoration witnesses and proves that God is real, His promises are true, that Israel is God's chosen people to bring salvation to the world, and that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah.

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After the 2 Witnesses are killed, by the armies from across the Euphrates, who are deceived by the false prophet image Vatican Caesar, the stone will strike and this planet will end in fire.

When Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days later, ......... Rev 11:15................., the last judgment, death is destroyed, eternity.

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How soon will it be, before Jerusalem falls to Iran (The kings of the East across the Euphrates from Israel) and it's allies (Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, and the rest of the gentile nations)? I don't know according to the years of men.

The battle of Armageddon will begin soon, maybe it has already started and is still in the early stages, the setting up stage.

Maybe a few years? months possibly? 20 years? I really don't know.

But I do know but everything seems to be in place.

Israel is restored to Jerusalem

The Roman beast nation Antichrist, has returned to sit on the seat of the beast in Rome. In the exact same place as 2000 years ago. He has come out of the abyss 1929. He is deceiving the kings of the east, Iran. The RCC is claiming to be the one true Israel/kingdom/church.

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It is clear that the Beast system will be post global disaster. If you survive the seals then you know the end is near.