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Okay listen up ...Paul never says that salvation can be lost in the letter to the Galatians.
The law could never save as in eternal life.
He is juxtaposing the law and grace, falling away from grace is not losing one's salvation, it is going back to the law which could never save to begin with, if you fall from Grace you are not walking in the Spirit which means you will not have the resources to be victorious over sin.
Now answer my question.....how many denials are we allowed?
The law could never save as in eternal life.
He is juxtaposing the law and grace, falling away from grace is not losing one's salvation, it is going back to the law which could never save to begin with, if you fall from Grace you are not walking in the Spirit which means you will not have the resources to be victorious over sin.
Now answer my question.....how many denials are we allowed?
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Oh really, I absolutely believe what they say and might I add the ONLY way to understand scripture is from the truth that we are eternally saved in Christ.
You have yet to resolve the issue of at what point one looses their salvation, I need to know this so I can be clear when I witness to people, they should know and have this information with absolute clarity, God would want them to know I am sure of it, that is why I keep asking.
Is it once, twice , a month, a year?
Does God apply the same standard to everyone, does everyone only get one chance, is everyone allotted one month or is it ten years, maybe two minutes is the cut off point of disbelief?
I tell you these things to show your paradigm does not work?
This is the same God who designed Noah's Ark, the brain, the Levitical law and now He cannot give us some hard numbers on the frequency and duration of our unbelief to forfeit our inheritance?
You have yet to resolve the issue of at what point one looses their salvation, I need to know this so I can be clear when I witness to people, they should know and have this information with absolute clarity, God would want them to know I am sure of it, that is why I keep asking.
Is it once, twice , a month, a year?
Does God apply the same standard to everyone, does everyone only get one chance, is everyone allotted one month or is it ten years, maybe two minutes is the cut off point of disbelief?
I tell you these things to show your paradigm does not work?
This is the same God who designed Noah's Ark, the brain, the Levitical law and now He cannot give us some hard numbers on the frequency and duration of our unbelief to forfeit our inheritance?
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Galatians answers to THE CONTEXT of 2 Cor 1, 2 Cor 5, Eph 1??? Huh ... 
Then you better not rely on efforts of your flesh if you want your inheritance. Trust God ... He'll see you through.
Or we can stay WITHIN THE CONTEXT of 2 Cor 1, 2 Cor 5, and Eph 1, praise God for His unspeakable gift, and not fall into the trap of those who go to unrelated sections of Scripture to prop up the erroneous belief that God unseals and disinherits those who have given up trying to clean themselves up to maintain salvation on their own merits and instead entrust the keeping of their salvation to the One Who seals and gives the arrabōn (earnest) as a token of His guarantee. I trust in His guarantee more than I trust in my ability to maintain myself.
But that is not all you say, Ralph. You tack on additional criteria and it appears to me that you rely on your own efforts as opposed to relying on God. God continuously works within the born again believer to perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle (1 Pe 5:10).
Just as you keep insisting that we must have ongoing faith, do you trust that on an ongoing basis God is working within us so that we are assured we have what we need in order to face all the issues we deal with every single day (which He refers to as our light affliction which is but for a moment - 2 Cor 4:17). What does God mean when He tells us the inward man is renewed day by day while the outward man perishes (2 Cor 4:16)?
When you constantly and continuously harp on everything we must do to maintain salvation it appears to me that you are neglecting the most important part of that "maintaining" - that God is at work within to help us and guard against those things which distract us and cause us to stumble.
Then you better not rely on efforts of your flesh if you want your inheritance. Trust God ... He'll see you through.
Or we can stay WITHIN THE CONTEXT of 2 Cor 1, 2 Cor 5, and Eph 1, praise God for His unspeakable gift, and not fall into the trap of those who go to unrelated sections of Scripture to prop up the erroneous belief that God unseals and disinherits those who have given up trying to clean themselves up to maintain salvation on their own merits and instead entrust the keeping of their salvation to the One Who seals and gives the arrabōn (earnest) as a token of His guarantee. I trust in His guarantee more than I trust in my ability to maintain myself.
But that is not all you say, Ralph. You tack on additional criteria and it appears to me that you rely on your own efforts as opposed to relying on God. God continuously works within the born again believer to perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle (1 Pe 5:10).
Just as you keep insisting that we must have ongoing faith, do you trust that on an ongoing basis God is working within us so that we are assured we have what we need in order to face all the issues we deal with every single day (which He refers to as our light affliction which is but for a moment - 2 Cor 4:17). What does God mean when He tells us the inward man is renewed day by day while the outward man perishes (2 Cor 4:16)?
When you constantly and continuously harp on everything we must do to maintain salvation it appears to me that you are neglecting the most important part of that "maintaining" - that God is at work within to help us and guard against those things which distract us and cause us to stumble.
Actually, isn't that what you're doing? I'm telling you I entrust my salvation to God, and you're telling me you think there's an additional something needed from me in order for me to be assured that the God I entrust my salvation to is not going to remove His seal and His guarantee (His arrabōn).
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Are you going to continue to use it as a proof text for your dogma?
The issue of salvation is not the intent of any of the parables in Luke 15. The parables were taught in response to the murmuring of the pharisees and scribes who secluded themselves from publicans and sinners (and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself because He received them and ate with them).
The issue of salvation is not the intent of any of the parables in Luke 15. The parables were taught in response to the murmuring of the pharisees and scribes who secluded themselves from publicans and sinners (and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself because He received them and ate with them).
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The parable of the lost sheep who was “just” while reconciled to the shepherd, but who wandered away and became lost.
The lost sheep is described as a sinner in need of repentance.
4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:4-7
likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
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The lost sheep is described as a sinner in need of repentance.
4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:4-7
likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
JPT
When I come here on occasion and read these posts, truly I find it incomprehensible.
Yes a miserable attempt to rewrite the absolute perfect plan of redemption.
This false gospel is the bad news of "finish what God started" ... "the saved/unsaved phenomenen" ... "give and take-justification (gotta love that one)" " and of course "don't stop believin (is Journey in the house?)"
But you are right underneath it all, it is about "my own obedience" saves.
It is completely Catholic doctrine.
Yes a miserable attempt to rewrite the absolute perfect plan of redemption.
This false gospel is the bad news of "finish what God started" ... "the saved/unsaved phenomenen" ... "give and take-justification (gotta love that one)" " and of course "don't stop believin (is Journey in the house?)"
But you are right underneath it all, it is about "my own obedience" saves.
It is completely Catholic doctrine.
Does not matter...his skewed view will not allow him to understand the truth nor the context....he keeps himself saved because his Jesus (not the one of the bible) cannot keep him saved nor keeps his promises and he is powerless!......
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You still don't get it.
The ninety and nine sheep of vs 4 are representative of the murmuring pharisees and scribes. The "just persons" of vs 7 are representative of the murmuring pharisees and scribes.
You think the pharisees had no need of repentance?
You think Jesus was in error to receive publicans and sinners and eat with them?
The ninety and nine sheep of vs 4 are representative of the murmuring pharisees and scribes. The "just persons" of vs 7 are representative of the murmuring pharisees and scribes.
You think the pharisees had no need of repentance?
You think Jesus was in error to receive publicans and sinners and eat with them?
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He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 5:3
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Romans 13:9
Does God keep the commandments for us?
JPT
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 5:3
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Romans 13:9
- all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Does God keep the commandments for us?
JPT
Do you still not get it?
The pharisees and scribes believed they were just. They isolated themselves from others they thought were beneath them ... the Lord Jesus Christ included.
Do you believe the pharisees and scribes were just because they believed they were just?
Do you believe Jesus Christ should not have eaten with the publicans and sinners?
The incident in Luke 15 is not the first time Jesus had to deal with the superior attitude of the pharisees and scribes:
Luke 5:
29 And Levi made him a great feast in his own house: and there was a great company of publicans and of others that sat down with them.
30 But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?
31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
The pharisees and scribes believed they were just. They isolated themselves from others they thought were beneath them ... the Lord Jesus Christ included.
Do you believe the pharisees and scribes were just because they believed they were just?
Do you believe Jesus Christ should not have eaten with the publicans and sinners?
The incident in Luke 15 is not the first time Jesus had to deal with the superior attitude of the pharisees and scribes:
Luke 5:
29 And Levi made him a great feast in his own house: and there was a great company of publicans and of others that sat down with them.
30 But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?
31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
In Luke 16, Jesus brings home the point:
Luke 16:
14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
The scribes and pharisees justified themselves before men.
What the scribes and pharisees believed was highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Luke 16:
14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
The scribes and pharisees justified themselves before men.
What the scribes and pharisees believed was highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.