OSAS= House Built on Sand
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I have know folks who left Christ after many years as a devoted, church attending, witnessing, praying and righteous Christian.
One due to a sister experiencing much suffering with cancer and the other domestic situation resulting in drinking and alcoholism. No one will ever convince me that either one of them was not properly repented and committed.
This OSAS irrational fixation that one who leaves the protective umbrella of Christ was never properly there...holds no water, because the Bible acknowledges that aspect with warnings not to allow it to happen, including......."allow no man to steal your crowns".
I have know folks who left Christ after many years as a devoted, church attending, witnessing, praying and righteous Christian.
One due to a sister experiencing much suffering with cancer and the other domestic situation resulting in drinking and alcoholism. No one will ever convince me that either one of them was not properly repented and committed.
This OSAS irrational fixation that one who leaves the protective umbrella of Christ was never properly there...holds no water, because the Bible acknowledges that aspect with warnings not to allow it to happen, including......."allow no man to steal your crowns".
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Sad that God is one of the 1st to blame in hardships when its PREDICTED in the Bible that in this world we are bound to have trials and tribulations but theres a much deeper level of intomacy if we perservere through those trials and tribulations...we also have to know that we might NEVER know why things happen..we just have to trust and have FAITH that God sees the big picture..we just see a fraction..
To the Church in Sardis
3 “To the angel of the church in Sardiswrite:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds incomplete in the sight of my God. 3 REMEMBER, THEREFORE, WHAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED AND HEARD; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and YOU WILL NOT KNOW AT WHAT TIME I WILL COME TO YOU.
luke 12:20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you.Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
FEAR GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS,
for this is the duty of all mankind.
For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.
"LET GOD BE TRUE"
3 “To the angel of the church in Sardiswrite:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds incomplete in the sight of my God. 3 REMEMBER, THEREFORE, WHAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED AND HEARD; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and YOU WILL NOT KNOW AT WHAT TIME I WILL COME TO YOU.
luke 12:20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you.Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
FEAR GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS,
for this is the duty of all mankind.
For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.
"LET GOD BE TRUE"
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j...,
For the newbie;
The only proof one would have is if..... during a hiatus ...death occurred and one did not receive eternal salvation.
Otherwise, we must be guided by scripture and it tells me that when we return to sinful ways...."sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present". (Regardless, it is a chance I would never take....for any reason).
I pray that nothing ever happens to test me but, I don't now anything that can remove me, even temporary, from G-d's forgiving grace.
For the newbie;
The only proof one would have is if..... during a hiatus ...death occurred and one did not receive eternal salvation.
Otherwise, we must be guided by scripture and it tells me that when we return to sinful ways...."sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present". (Regardless, it is a chance I would never take....for any reason).
I pray that nothing ever happens to test me but, I don't now anything that can remove me, even temporary, from G-d's forgiving grace.
R
The new birth is 'you' plus the Holy Spirit. It's not a new 'additional' you running around inside of you that has been born. It's the same 'you' but now in union with the Holy Spirit. And because it's you in union with the Holy Spirit you are different, not new as in an additional new you being born (like when you bring a baby home from the hospital).
6The Spirit of the Lord will come powerfully upon you, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person." - 1 Samuel 10:6
See? You become a different person because of the Holy Spirit. The new creation that is born at salvation is not a new extra person in addition to you being born inside of you. The new creation is a changed and different you. And God can just as easily break union with your spirit as easily as he made it. It's not the rock that God can't lift.
6The Spirit of the Lord will come powerfully upon you, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person." - 1 Samuel 10:6
See? You become a different person because of the Holy Spirit. The new creation that is born at salvation is not a new extra person in addition to you being born inside of you. The new creation is a changed and different you. And God can just as easily break union with your spirit as easily as he made it. It's not the rock that God can't lift.
Actually, Ralph, it is a regeneration of the spirit ... that which was so drastically changed back when Adam sinned. Adam was created in image and likeness of God (Gen 1:27). Progeny of Adam was born in the likeness and image of Adam (Gen 5:3) and on and on throughout generations since Adam. You were born in image and likeness of your earthly parents. I was born in image and likeness of my earthly parents.
Born again ... regeneration of spirit within (which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness - Eph 4:24).
Born again ... regeneration of spirit within (which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness - Eph 4:24).
Actually, Jesus was reproving the pharisees and scribes who isolated themselves from publicans and sinners and who murmured because Jesus received publicans and sinners and ate with them … a point which you cotinue to ignore and sweep under the carpet 
(because, according to you, the pharisees and scribes were "righteous" and "just" ).
So what happens to those who justify [themselves] before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God (Luke 16:15)?
Will they "perish in the everlasting fires of hell if they don’t repent" as you claim the sheep who is lost will (your post #1,333)?
(because, according to you, the pharisees and scribes were "righteous" and "just" ).So what happens to those who justify [themselves] before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God (Luke 16:15)?
Will they "perish in the everlasting fires of hell if they don’t repent" as you claim the sheep who is lost will (your post #1,333)?
Only those whom God justifies; which means declares to be righteous, are righteous.
The sheep who are not lost are said to be just by Jesus.
If Jesus says they are just, then who are we to say otherwise.
If lost doesn’t mean seperated from God, then why does the shepherd go after it?
So far nothing you have presented makes any sense.
Sheep that become lost must repent, and turn back to God to be reconciled with Him, or remain lost.
Very simple.
JPT
@Ralph- @justpassinthrough @preston39 ...you think people are just arguementative with you and continue to bicker to prove a point..but for some of us..including ME..its PERSONAL its our LIVES or something weve lived through that has brought us to our personal beliefs and convictions so when we share and you say its blatently WRONG..that can cut because of it being personal..our walk with God are all different and personal in different ways..we gotta remember that when in heatec debates
JPT