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7seasrekeyed

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#81
here is an article with some better understanding of the 'hate' God directs to His enemies

as I said before, balance is required to understand the Bible...not focusing on one thing and then running off with it in all directions

God’s Love and God’s Hatred
“Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated’” (v. 13).
- Romans 9:6–13
The Bible says that God hates some people. Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau before Esau was even born, because Esau had inherited Adam’s hatred of God, and God was not pleased (in His mysterious decision) to elect Esau to salvation. Psalm 5:5 says, “The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all who do wrong.” Notice that is it not some abstract “sin” or “wickedness” that God hates in this verse; it is people whom He hates.

Psalm 139:21–22 tells us that we should join God in His holy hatred of these people: “Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord …? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies.” The New Testament says the same in Revelation 2:6.

How are we to understand this? In some cases, hate simply means “love less.” In Luke 14:26 we find Jesus saying that we must hate the members of our own families if we want to follow Him, while in the parallel passage in Matthew 10:37, Jesus says we must love them less than we love Him. That kind of “soft” explanation, however, won’t work in the passages we cited above. God did not love Esau less than Jacob; He did not love Esau in any saving way at all.

It is Psalm 139:21–22 that gives us an important perspective on this matter. To hate someone is to count him as an enemy and to treat him as an enemy. In the Bible, hatred is not an emotion primarily, but rather a covenant action. Those who treat God as an enemy will find God treating them the same way. Since they are His enemies, and He “hates” them, He will destroy them.

The “soft” and the “hard” senses of hatred can be put together this way: When the Bible speaks of God’s loving someone, it means He has chosen to favor them; when it speaks of God’s hating someone, it means He has chosen not to favor them. Thus, we are to favor Christ and not favor the members of our families. Thus, God favored Jacob and did not favor Esau. Thus, we favor God’s friends and we do not favor God’s enemies (Psalm 139).

Favoring is a choice, not an emotion. When family members attack the church, we must choose to side with Christ. When God favors us, it means He elects us; those He disfavors, He leaves to their own damnation.

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JohnRH

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#82
here is an article with some better understanding of the 'hate' God directs to His enemies

as I said before, balance is required to understand the Bible...not focusing on one thing and then running off with it in all directions

God’s Love and God’s Hatred
“Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated’” (v. 13).
- Romans 9:6–13
The Bible says that God hates some people. Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau before Esau was even born, because Esau had inherited Adam’s hatred of God, and God was not pleased (in His mysterious decision) to elect Esau to salvation. Psalm 5:5 says, “The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all who do wrong.” Notice that is it not some abstract “sin” or “wickedness” that God hates in this verse; it is people whom He hates.

Psalm 139:21–22 tells us that we should join God in His holy hatred of these people: “Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord …? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies.” The New Testament says the same in Revelation 2:6.

How are we to understand this? In some cases, hate simply means “love less.” In Luke 14:26 we find Jesus saying that we must hate the members of our own families if we want to follow Him, while in the parallel passage in Matthew 10:37, Jesus says we must love them less than we love Him. That kind of “soft” explanation, however, won’t work in the passages we cited above. God did not love Esau less than Jacob; He did not love Esau in any saving way at all.

It is Psalm 139:21–22 that gives us an important perspective on this matter. To hate someone is to count him as an enemy and to treat him as an enemy. In the Bible, hatred is not an emotion primarily, but rather a covenant action. Those who treat God as an enemy will find God treating them the same way. Since they are His enemies, and He “hates” them, He will destroy them.

The “soft” and the “hard” senses of hatred can be put together this way: When the Bible speaks of God’s loving someone, it means He has chosen to favor them; when it speaks of God’s hating someone, it means He has chosen not to favor them. Thus, we are to favor Christ and not favor the members of our families. Thus, God favored Jacob and did not favor Esau. Thus, we favor God’s friends and we do not favor God’s enemies (Psalm 139).

Favoring is a choice, not an emotion. When family members attack the church, we must choose to side with Christ. When God favors us, it means He elects us; those He disfavors, He leaves to their own damnation.

source
I think you can 100% love someone and 100% hate them at the same time.

Deuteronomy 13:6-11 doesn't sound like "soft" hate or "love less". When God says that your hand is to be first upon him, He's giving you an opportunity to demonstrate your love by making your stone-throw instantly mortal upon your loved one, while the rest of the people might want to torture him and prolong his agony with their throws. It brings your loved one face to face with God's mercy right before they enter into eternity and they might want to repent in their heart and get saved before they die.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is
as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou,
nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one
end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#83
I think you can 100% love someone and 100% hate them at the same time.

Deuteronomy 13:6-11 doesn't sound like "soft" hate or "love less". When God says that your hand is to be first upon him, He's giving you an opportunity to demonstrate your love by making your stone-throw instantly mortal upon your loved one, while the rest of the people might want to torture him and prolong his agony with their throws. It brings your loved one face to face with God's mercy right before they enter into eternity and they might want to repent in their heart and get saved before they die.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is
as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou,
nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one
end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

when you get to the New Testament let me know. we'll talk then :geek: