Not By Works

"Anything we do which misses the mark of perfection is sin."

Not sure if your quote above is correct..IMO...

I think if someone does something KNOWINGLY its wrong is sin..if they DONT know...its a "whoops" and needs correction..theres a difference...we arent held accountable of judged for things we DONT know but what we DO

Like a child who is bout to touch a hot stove unknowingly..you dont discipline cause he doesnt know any better..you "correct"..if he does it AGAINn KNOWS..you discipline...

And to add..it all boils down to the motives of our hearts that often dictate our actions..and God is the only one that can judge someonez heart

sin1
sin/Submit
noun
1.
an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
"a sin in the eyes of God"
synonyms: immoral act, wrong, wrongdoing, act of evil/wickedness, transgression, crime, offense, misdeed, misdemeanor; More
verb
1.
commit a sin.
"I sinned and brought shame down on us"
synonyms: commit a sin, commit an offense, transgress, do wrong, commit a crime, break the law, misbehave, go astray; archaictrespass
"I have sinned"

It isn't just the bad things we do, it is also the good things we do short of perfection. There are sins of omission and sins of commission.

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17).

Not doing right when the opportunity presents itself is just as sinful as pulling out a gun and shooting your neighbor in God's eyes.

Seriously, the unsaved person does not stand a chance at the Great White Throne judgment of God.

The dictionary is a fine instrument in the study of the Bible. Many preachers turn to it rather than the so-called 'original' Greek to suss out the meanings of words. But sometimes it just doesn't go far enough - as in the case of sin.

OSAS: Once Saved, Always Saved. Do not believe in salvation can be lost through lack of works. That's what 1/2 the quarreling here is about my brothers and sisters! Works are a blessing but have no bearing on salvation. Just like faith other religions' have good works too. Works help many but save for eternity none. Gods Grace made a promise to Abraham. Jesus is the fulfillment of that promise. Faith in Jesus completes the deal Abraham made with Elohim. The is power in Grace, through Jesus, the greatest power is the Holy Spirit. Faith has a placebo effect but faith only gives us access through Jesus to the Holy Spirit. People worldwide believe in medicine, voodoo, witchcraft and a myriad of false beliefs with success. Often because faith stimulates the bodies natural healing process but like it or not, its not the root cause of their healing. That came from God and we are gifted by him to have it. Doctors for centuries have had success with medications they knew were bogus. when Paul questioned the Lord 3x he replied 'My Grace is sufficient for thee'

We need faith, hope and love to live like God intended it's necessary. Beyond life we need faith in Jesus. Faith comes from within, Grace comes from The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Grace was before salvation. Nothing we can do will ever change that. As I see it, it's not debatable. I someone has faith in Jesus works wont save them, they're already saved and it certainly can't hurt them but that belief can hurt others. I never understood why as soon as people get saved churches that preach saved by faith want to give them new rules. "Now that you're saved you've got to do this, that and the other, also quit this that and the other bla, bla, bla! Just teach it is good to do this and bad to do that. we will bear fruit when our time comes. Simple as that. That's all folks.

Hmmmm....far enough for WHO?

Your choice, and as I have said, was raised in an imminent return church and defended it dogmatically until I had to study through the bible 2 times a year in seminary....the bible does not support it...the bible does support a post tribulation pre-wrath ingathering at the 7th trump of Revelation.....I know we agree on much bro....however, no one will ever change my mind. I have spent the better part of the last 32 years pouring over this topic and the imminent return is not found in scripture. Does not change my fellowship with you nor my fondness for your stance on many things

So called??? I study all words from the ORIGINAL "nothing so called about it" The first thing I do in any study is to look up all words in a given text from either the Greek, Hebrew.......verb tense also plays a big part because there are nuances found in the tense that gets lost in the English translation.......just saying

The contrast is between saving faith and a mere belief that God is real....the devils know he is real yet they do not have the saving faith afforded men....there is a vast difference betwix the two......

Like Agape & Eros? ha, ha. I've never studied greek bou some of my friends have. Maranatha!

You have the originals?

As well as they know also that there fates are sealed and they are going to end up in a lake of fire. Some demons wondered why Jesus was bothering them as their time had not yet come. So sad that the lost do not know that they are headed to the same fate.

Yeah Jesus makes a play on the word Agape and Philo with Peter.....one is a friendship type love the other unconditional.....Yeah Peter do you Agape me hahahahah

Obviously......I was talking about that yesterday....the show the walking dead....most alive on the planet are the walking dead and don't even know it.......tragic at the end of the LAST DAY.......

amen brother.

I don't say that the Greek is never helpful. The case of agape and phileo (as well as eros) are a great case in point. My Greek professor (Greek I and II) told us that the Greek is like watching a TV in color while the English is black and white.

My question about that is why do many of the zombies have really nice clothes and none of them are nekkid?

Another interesting truth....Daniel contains a little Chaldean and Jesus speaks in Aramic........to me the difference is like comparing a black and white tv to a High Def Color Tv........the languages brings out the "color" if you will........