Do you believe there will be animal sacrifices in the millennium?

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Will there be animal sacrifices in the millennium?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 40.0%

  • No

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • Total voters
    10
Hevosmies

Hevosmies

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I decided to make this thread as I am now reading some (I said some, dont panic if you claim dispensationalism and dont believe what im presenting here) dispensational literature. This is basically a poll to figure out exactly HOW many people have bought this idea from Scofield's notes and other sources that there will be animal sacrifices again in the millennium.
This is insulting to the blood of Christ, in my opinion, and NOBODY in the early church believed this, its a very recent teaching and I hope you reconsider if you believe this to be the case.

And if anyone dare accuse me of making this up out of thin air, here is a quote, take it up with him:


J. D. Pentecost (Things To Come, p. 519):

“In the millennial system we find the worship centers in an altar (Ezekiel 43:13-17) on which blood is sprinkled (43:18) and on which are offered burnt offerings, sin offerings, and trespass offerings (40:39). There is the re-institution of a Levitical order in that the sons of Zadok are set aside for a priestly ministry (43:19). The meal offering is incoporated in the ritual (42:13). There are prescribed rituals of cleansing for the altar (43:20-27), for the Levites who minister (44:25-27), and for the sanctuary (45:18). There will be the observance of new moon and sabbath days (46:1). Morning sacrifices will be offered daily (46:13). Perpetual inheritances will be recognized (46:16-18). The Passover feast will be observed again (45:21-25) and the feast of Tabernacles becomes an annual event (45:25). The year of jubilee is observed (46:17). There is a similarity in the regulations given to govern the manner of life, the dress, and the sustenance of the priestly order (44:15-31). This temple, in which this ministry is executed, becomes again the place from which is manifested the glory of Jehovah (43:4-5). It can thus be seen that the form of worship in the millennium will bear a strong similarity to the old Aaronic order.”

I hope that the results will be a resounding "NO NO NO". But we shall see. Thanks for participating
 
BaptistBibleBeliever

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Ezekiel 43-46 speaks of the Millennial temple where sacrifices will continue.

"For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually" (Jeremiah 33:17-18).

This means that the sacrifices did not 'end' forever in 70 A.D., and frankly I am sick and tired of all the people claiming that God is either a liar or incapable of setting forth His Word.

Usually when a survey is created the OP tries to appear neutral . . . but in this case from the start it comes across, "let's see what the heretics and followers of Scofield have to say about this . . . heh heh."

Scofield didn't write the Old Testament.
 
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garee

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Hevosmies said:
I decided to make this thread as I am now reading some (I said some, dont panic if you claim dispensationalism and dont believe what im presenting here) dispensational literature. This is basically a poll to figure out exactly HOW many people have bought this idea from Scofield's notes and other sources that there will be animal sacrifices again in the millennium.
This is insulting to the blood of Christ, in my opinion, and NOBODY in the early church believed this, its a very recent teaching and I hope you reconsider if you believe this to be the case.

And if anyone dare accuse me of making this up out of thin air, here is a quote, take it up with him:


J. D. Pentecost (Things To Come, p. 519):

“In the millennial system we find the worship centers in an altar (Ezekiel 43:13-17) on which blood is sprinkled (43:18) and on which are offered burnt offerings, sin offerings, and trespass offerings (40:39). There is the re-institution of a Levitical order in that the sons of Zadok are set aside for a priestly ministry (43:19). The meal offering is incoporated in the ritual (42:13). There are prescribed rituals of cleansing for the altar (43:20-27), for the Levites who minister (44:25-27), and for the sanctuary (45:18). There will be the observance of new moon and sabbath days (46:1). Morning sacrifices will be offered daily (46:13). Perpetual inheritances will be recognized (46:16-18). The Passover feast will be observed again (45:21-25) and the feast of Tabernacles becomes an annual event (45:25). The year of jubilee is observed (46:17). There is a similarity in the regulations given to govern the manner of life, the dress, and the sustenance of the priestly order (44:15-31). This temple, in which this ministry is executed, becomes again the place from which is manifested the glory of Jehovah (43:4-5). It can thus be seen that the form of worship in the millennium will bear a strong similarity to the old Aaronic order.”

I hope that the results will be a resounding "NO NO NO". But we shall see. Thanks for participating
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I would be curious to know what prompted him to come up with that idea?The secular decision to let the Jews back into the land?
Which I am not apposed to.

Therefore making the first Century reformation without effect?

When he does comes will he find faith the unseen eternal,or those who walk by sight requiring a sign before they will believe walking after the temporal?

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.1 Corinthians 1:22-23

Jesus as a circus seal?

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Or Jesus as a quickening Spirit not seen the eternal

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
 
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glf1

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Heb 10:1-12 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect? For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he sayeth, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, lo, I come (in the volume of the book it5 is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offering and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; then he said, lo, I come to do thy will O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down at the right hand of God."

So, based upon the above scriptures; There will be No animal sacrifices in the future.

Maranatha!
 
BaptistBibleBeliever

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glf1 said:
So, based upon the above scriptures; There will be No animal sacrifices in the future.
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Based on your understanding and theological bent toward Covenant theology, there will be no sacrifices. You likely reject any form of dispensational views of which I could care less.

You said it was a recent teaching . . . how recent is Ezekiel anyway. Do you even believe that there will be a Millennium and that it is taught in Isaiah and much of the Old Testament?
 
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BaptistBibleBeliever said:
Based on your understanding and theological bent toward Covenant theology, there will be no sacrifices. You likely reject any form of dispensational views of which I could care less.

Actually, I detest all systematic theologies as they teach the understandings and reasoning of men who only know in part, at best; whereas the Holy Spirit illuminates the word of God to minister truth, faith, righteousness, and Jesus to both our hearts and minds.
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^ Compare Revelation 19:19/16:14-16 with Isaiah 24:21-22[23], [context: the time surrounding His Second Coming to the earth (i.e. Armageddon)], and see how verses 21-22 state (in part), "the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited/punished." In Amillennial teachings, there are NO "many days" which exist and follow this point in time (Rev19).

This passage's chronology matches Rev19:19/16:14-16 and Rev20's chronology perfectly.



[and that's not to mention the two "RETURN" passages/contexts (that is, to the earth) and what they show as taking place/commencing at that time; among many other passages...]
 
trofimus

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And what should i vote when I do not believe in any literal millenium?

This option is missing.
 
Quantrill

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Hevosmies said:
I decided to make this thread as I am now reading some (I said some, dont panic if you claim dispensationalism and dont believe what im presenting here) dispensational literature. This is basically a poll to figure out exactly HOW many people have bought this idea from Scofield's notes and other sources that there will be animal sacrifices again in the millennium.
This is insulting to the blood of Christ, in my opinion, and NOBODY in the early church believed this, its a very recent teaching and I hope you reconsider if you believe this to be the case.

And if anyone dare accuse me of making this up out of thin air, here is a quote, take it up with him:


J. D. Pentecost (Things To Come, p. 519):

“In the millennial system we find the worship centers in an altar (Ezekiel 43:13-17) on which blood is sprinkled (43:18) and on which are offered burnt offerings, sin offerings, and trespass offerings (40:39). There is the re-institution of a Levitical order in that the sons of Zadok are set aside for a priestly ministry (43:19). The meal offering is incoporated in the ritual (42:13). There are prescribed rituals of cleansing for the altar (43:20-27), for the Levites who minister (44:25-27), and for the sanctuary (45:18). There will be the observance of new moon and sabbath days (46:1). Morning sacrifices will be offered daily (46:13). Perpetual inheritances will be recognized (46:16-18). The Passover feast will be observed again (45:21-25) and the feast of Tabernacles becomes an annual event (45:25). The year of jubilee is observed (46:17). There is a similarity in the regulations given to govern the manner of life, the dress, and the sustenance of the priestly order (44:15-31). This temple, in which this ministry is executed, becomes again the place from which is manifested the glory of Jehovah (43:4-5). It can thus be seen that the form of worship in the millennium will bear a strong similarity to the old Aaronic order.”

I hope that the results will be a resounding "NO NO NO". But we shall see. Thanks for participating
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Yes, I believe there will be animal sacrifices by the Israelites in the millennial kingdom. The purpose of the millennium is to establish the righteous rule of Messiah, Jesus Christ, over the world, through the nation Israel. That has never been fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the millennium.

Just because there are animal sacrifices in the kingdom does not mean they replace the blood of Jesus Christ. They will point back to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, whereas before they pointed towards the coming sacrifice of Christ. Animal sacrifices never did take away sin. They atoned or covered their sin until Christ came.

The Church is not offering sacrifices here. This will be Israel operating in a priestly and mediatorial fashion, over the world, with Jesus Christ ruling and reigning in Jerusalem.

Quantrill
 
notuptome

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Yes but not for the reasons you think.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Quantrill said:
Yes, I believe there will be animal sacrifices by the Israelites in the millennial kingdom. The purpose of the millennium is to establish the righteous rule of Messiah, Jesus Christ, over the world, through the nation Israel. That has never been fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the millennium.

Just because there are animal sacrifices in the kingdom does not mean they replace the blood of Jesus Christ. They will point back to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, whereas before they pointed towards the coming sacrifice of Christ. Animal sacrifices never did take away sin. They atoned or covered their sin until Christ came.

The Church is not offering sacrifices here. This will be Israel operating in a priestly and mediatorial fashion, over the world, with Jesus Christ ruling and reigning in Jerusalem.

Quantrill
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Why should animal sacrifices be a problem..

Before the coming of Jesus the Animal sacrifices where a shadow ( a symbolic sign of the future effective sacrifice of the LORD Jesus Christ on the cross) So if they do happen again in the millennium they will again be a symbolic remembrance of the effective sacrifice of the LORD Jesus Christ on the cross..

There seems to be a belief that any future sacrifice will be a denial of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. This assumption is i believe misguided.. The former sacrifices did not save anyone they where symbolic signs of the future.. So future sacrifices should be viewed in a similar way.. They will be symbolic remembrances of the effective historic sacrifice of the LORD Jesus Christ..
 
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garee

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Quantrill said:
Yes, I believe there will be animal sacrifices by the Israelites in the millennial kingdom. The purpose of the millennium is to establish the righteous rule of Messiah, Jesus Christ, over the world, through the nation Israel. That has never been fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the millennium.

Just because there are animal sacrifices in the kingdom does not mean they replace the blood of Jesus Christ. They will point back to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, whereas before they pointed towards the coming sacrifice of Christ. Animal sacrifices never did take away sin. They atoned or covered their sin until Christ came.

The Church is not offering sacrifices here. This will be Israel operating in a priestly and mediatorial fashion, over the world, with Jesus Christ ruling and reigning in Jerusalem.

Quantrill
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We are in the millennium the last days .Where's the beef?
 
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garee said:
We are in the millennium the last days .Where's the beef?
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Well i and others do not believe we are in the millennium.. We believe the millennium starts on the day of the return of Jesus..
 
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