Do you believe there will be animal sacrifices in the millennium?

[Hevosmies]

They are NOT for "memorial" purposes as some have suggeested. Nor are they for looking back to the work on the Cross.

It mentions they are for sin offerings.

We should let the N.T. interpret the O.T. not vice versa. Hebrews makes it clear, the animal sacrifices are done with. The old covenant vanished away.

Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

The entire chapter and the following and preceding chapters are loaded on this subject.

And I admit that my poll was not neutral, because of the fact that I recognize this is a very recent teaching, and anything recent should be taken with a mountain of salt.
I wonder what Barnabas or Peter or even the reformers would of said if they had heard this idea.

 

[Hevosmies]

Ezekiel 43-46 speaks of the Millennial temple where sacrifices will continue.

"For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually" (Jeremiah 33:17-18).

This means that the sacrifices did not 'end' forever in 70 A.D., and frankly I am sick and tired of all the people claiming that God is either a liar or incapable of setting forth His Word.

Usually when a survey is created the OP tries to appear neutral . . . but in this case from the start it comes across, "let's see what the heretics and followers of Scofield have to say about this . . . heh heh."

Scofield didn't write the Old Testament.

I have read the verse. You guys take that extremely literally. And some claim to do so with all scriptures. Truth is they dont and I can prove it.

Isaiah 65:17-25. We are told OVER and OVER again that its talking about the millennium, where people will live long and only a sinner would die at a hundred!
I have heard this preached probably without exaggeration hundreds of times, that its talking about the millenium. But when you actually read it, it says New heaven and new earth(isaiah 65:17), and lists the conditions. So in reality, this is NOT read literally, otherwise it would be applied to the new heaven and earth.
The reason why people do not read it to that time period, is because they use PROPER interpretation methods, they read Revelation 21, where its said there is NO DEATH in the new heaven and earth. That is why this is "pushed" into the millennium, despite the text in Isaiah not saying that.

Unfortunately this proper interpretation method is thrown away for this subject of animal sacrifices, and the book of hebrews is not allowed to interpret it for us.

 

[garee]

They are NOT for "memorial" purposes as some have suggeested. Nor are they for looking back to the work on the Cross.

It mentions they are for sin offerings.

We should let the N.T. interpret the O.T. not vice versa. Hebrews makes it clear, the animal sacrifices are done with. The old covenant vanished away.

Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

The entire chapter and the following and preceding chapters are loaded on this subject.

And I admit that my poll was not neutral, because of the fact that I recognize this is a very recent teaching, and anything recent should be taken with a mountain of salt.
I wonder what Barnabas or Peter or even the reformers would of said if they had heard this idea.

The time of reformation has come. The shadows in respect to the temporal flesh of a Jew had served its one time purpose as a parable for the time then present. The fig tree as a shadow served its purpose

Matthew 21:18-20 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered. And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

I would think as recent as 1948 when the secular government gave land to the Jews. Not a fulfillment of prophecy unless we make the reformation without effect. Then we can mend the veil and expect to hear the bleating of lambs and look for a second outward demonstration of God pouring out His unseen Spirit on the flesh of the Son of man.

One demonstration is all that was promised. We walk by faith.

One bride made up of all the nations of the world.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

I have read the verse. You guys take that extremely literally. And some claim to do so with all scriptures. Truth is they dont and I can prove it.

Isaiah 65:17-25. We are told OVER and OVER again that its talking about the millennium, where people will live long and only a sinner would die at a hundred!
I have heard this preached probably without exaggeration hundreds of times, that its talking about the millenium. But when you actually read it, it says New heaven and new earth(isaiah 65:17), and lists the conditions. So in reality, this is NOT read literally, otherwise it would be applied to the new heaven and earth.
The reason why people do not read it to that time period, is because they use PROPER interpretation methods, they read Revelation 21, where its said there is NO DEATH in the new heaven and earth. That is why this is "pushed" into the millennium, despite the text in Isaiah not saying that.

Unfortunately this proper interpretation method is thrown away for this subject of animal sacrifices, and the book of hebrews is not allowed to interpret it for us.

You are confusing the 1,000 Millennium with the New Heaven and earth which comes at the end of the Kingdom and will stand for all eternity. Yes, I am a literalist.

 

[posthuman]

i actually have a scoffield akjv, and i don't believe the temple in Ezekiels vision is to be a literal, physical one.
i bought the book because i like his cross reference system, it's full of useful maps and appendices, and very nicely bound. not because i agree with all the commentary in the footnotes.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

I previously had not really given this subject much thought and to my surprise, found this answer on gotquestions.org

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/millennial-sacrifices.html

The problem that those who vote NO on the subject is having is that they believe that during the Millennium there will be no lost people. That is totally wrong. At the beginning of the 1,000 year reign of Christ everyone that enters in are saved. But there will be marriages with babies born. Many of those babies, as now, will reject the kingdom. Those of them that survive to the end will join with Satan in a final attempt to destroy Jerusalem and the temple - but they will be melted on the spot.

Other babies born into the Millennium will find themselves needing to enter the covenant and maintain their faith through the same sacrifices that the Old Testament saint had to perform.

So, no - for 1,000 years we are not going to have some kind of utopia where everyone is 'saved' or 'redeemed'. They will be humans that need to make a choice. Again, many if not most will not chose the king and become redeemed. They will live in quiet rebellion - for the day that their rebellion is no longer secret - they will be judged on the spot. Some will be thrown body and soul into hell right then and there.

This is in mind where it says a man will die at 100. He is a rejecter and has fallen under some judgment where he violated the King's rule. Those that walk in the light will live until the end of the Millennium and enter eternity along with the Church.

Christians will be found in the Millennium. They will be the enforcers of the Kingdom. At least, those that suffered with Him and were not ashamed of Him during grace are now ruling and reigning with Him in that day.

 

[Hevosmies]

You are confusing the 1,000 Millennium with the New Heaven and earth which comes at the end of the Kingdom and will stand for all eternity. Yes, I am a literalist.

Isaiah 65:17-20; does it say millennium or new heaven and new earth? Literal, really?


Its just not possible to take the entire bible literally, otherwise we would have no hills in this world anymore, because John the baptist was supposed to make the way ____ for the Lord in the wilderness, etc. The apostles themselves spiritualized scriptures. Even Jesus did so with John the Baptist being Elijah if they will receive it.


Apostle James did it with Amos 9:11 and applies it in Acts to the gentiles coming to the faith. Not about a literal rebuilding of a building.

I appreciate you being upfront though. Lets remember these arent salvational issues, so while the discussion MAY seem heated, I am calm and writing in good spirit, just putting that out there.
Most of the christians I know are of the same view as you. I am willing to change as well if someone can provide anything from the New Testament supporting things like: Daniel's 70th week still being unfulfilled.

If someone can point that out to me, I would be more open to consider the dispensational view point. But bro can I ask you a question; Isnt it "going backwards" if we go back to the Torah in the millennium with sacrifices and everything? Wasn't the whole idea of Jesus coming the first time to FULFILL the law?

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

The hills are going to do some pretty spectacular things when Jesus sets His foot on the mount. The trees will sing and clap their hands. The grass will change from brown and dried out to green and luscious. It's really okay if you choose to disbelieve.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Most of the christians I know are of the same view as you. I am willing to change as well if someone can provide anything from the New Testament supporting things like: Daniel's 70th week still being unfulfilled.

If someone can point that out to me, I would be more open to consider the dispensational view point. But bro can I ask you a question; Isnt it "going backwards" if we go back to the Torah in the millennium with sacrifices and everything? Wasn't the whole idea of Jesus coming the first time to FULFILL the law?

Are you saying that you need a man to tell you what to believe? Don't you have the same book as we have, assuming it hasn't been changed so much that it no longer says what God intended?

 

[Hevosmies]

Are you saying that you need a man to tell you what to believe? Don't you have the same book as we have, assuming it hasn't been changed so much that it no longer says what God intended?

I dont need a man to tell me what to believe. Neither do you, yet you still go to church and listen to a pastor. Pot/Kettle.

Now: Can i get an answer tto my question please. Isnt it "going backwards" if we go back to the Torah in the millennium with sacrifices and everything? Wasn't the whole idea of Jesus coming the first time to FULFILL the law?

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

I dont need a man to tell me what to believe. Neither do you, yet you still go to church and listen to a pastor. Pot/Kettle.

Now: Can i get an answer tto my question please. Isnt it "going backwards" if we go back to the Torah in the millennium with sacrifices and everything? Wasn't the whole idea of Jesus coming the first time to FULFILL the law?

Jesus came to fulfill the law for those that would receive Him by faith through the Blood. The Millennial kingdom will be run under the rules of the kingdom -- the sermon on the mount et al.

Lost people during the Millennium will need a way to approach and appease the King.

So, fellowshipping with my brothers and sisters and Christ and listening to an encouraging sermon is something accursed in your eyes? Sheesh!

It's much better than hanging out with the drunks in the bars that I once knew . . . is that your idea of true fellowship?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

otherwise we would have no hills in this world anymore, because John the baptist was supposed to make the way ____ for the Lord in the wilderness, etc.

"straight" in that verse meant "hill-less" ??

G2116 euthunó - https://biblehub.com/greek/2116.htm "Definition: (a) I make straight (of the direction, not the surface, of a road), (b) I guide, steer."


I think... not.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

"straight" in that verse meant "hill-less"??

G2116 - https://biblehub.com/greek/2116.htm

That paper bag he got hisself caught up in is very hard to get outta.

 

[Hevosmies]

"straight" in that verse meant "hill-less"??

G2116 euthunó - https://biblehub.com/greek/2116.htm

Isaiah 40:4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.

Come on now...

 

[preston39]

Yes ...by the Jew.
Not for Christians.

 

[Hevosmies]

That paper bag he got hisself caught up in is very hard to get outta.

No paper bag. Disgusting.

Isaiah 40:4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.

............

Hard to have a serious conversation wtih you... Ridicilous. Misrepresentation. I never said its a BAD THING to listen to a pastor. Are you that blind to your own words? You accused ME of needing a man to teach me, yet when I point out you do the same by listening to other christians, you claim I said its a bad thing.

Thats not proper behavior, I tried my best. Conversation over. God bless you and dont talk to me again until you decide to stop the misrepresentation and insults. I apologize if I hurt your feelings in some way.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Isaiah 40:4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.

Come on now...

Yep, the land is going to be made level - the mountains will be gone . . . at the beginning of the Millennium.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

No paper bag. Disgusting.

Isaiah 40:4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.

............

Hard to have a serious conversation wtih you... Ridicilous. Misrepresentation. I never said its a BAD THING to listen to a pastor. Are you that blind to your own words? You accused ME of needing a man to teach me, yet when I point out you do the same by listening to other christians, you claim I said its a bad thing.

Thats not proper behavior, I tried my best. Conversation over. God bless you and dont talk to me again until you decide to stop the misrepresentation and insults. I apologize if I hurt your feelings in some way.

Ignore me if you don't want to hear what I have to say.

I asked if you needed a man to tell you what the Bible says . . . it's right there in print. In what I am quoting you said that I said you NEED a man. Nope! Reading comprehension 101.

 

[posthuman]

Other babies born into the Millennium will find themselves needing to enter the covenant and maintain their faith through the same sacrifices that the Old Testament saint had to perform.

exactly which covenant requiring the blood of bulls and goats will they need to enter into to maintain their faith...?

btw interesting that all the years Daniel was in Babylon he didn't make any sacrifices, yet he kept his faith.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I hope that the results will be a resounding "NO NO NO". But we shall see. Thanks for participating

Why are you so keen to contradict the prophecy of Ezekiel?

What he describes is under the New Covenant, but for whatever reason, there is also a temple in Jerusalem and animal sacrifices under Christ, as well as David as prince under Christ. This is no way would nullify the finished work of Christ, since the New Covenant is in His blood.

Let's not try to use human reasoning against divine revelation.