Speaking in tongues

I believe the word you need is "moot", not "mute". Your assertion about multi-lingual persons is ridiculous: natural facility with languages is not a "gift of the Holy Spirit" given only to believers in Christ.

Verse 13 was pretty far back from verse 28. I do not think of verse 13 as saying we all have to sit around and wait for someone who speaks in tongues to pray to get the gift of interpretation and wait for the prayer to be answered. I take it as something for someone who speaks in tongues to pray about. Anyway, verse 28 shows that 'one' may interpret. It does not have to be the one who speaks in tongues, though that's not a problem either, since Paul tells the one who prays in tongues that he may interpret. So interpreting one's own tongue is allowed.

The ability to speak in languages in Acts was supernatural. In Acts 2, others were present who could understand. In I Corinthians 14, Paul writes of a situation, the type of things that occurred in church meetings, where people in the congregation spoke in languages and others present could not understand. What was spoken in tongues needed to be interpreted by a gift of the Spirit for others present to understand.

No do I think verse 13 says that either. it says to pray that you (who are speaking) interpret. Nor does it say one is to sit around and wait for one to speak . it does not matter how far back a verse is in the same chapter, when we take what is said after and not look at the verses said before and after.

When I have read in the book of Acts about people getting filled with the Spirit and speaking it tongues, I got the impression that the Holy Spirit took over in a way even though the text does not specifically say that. When the disciples were filled with the Spirit at Pentecost, I don't believe they had initiated the speaking in tongues. I don't believe they were thinking about how they were going to start speaking in tongues... I think it probably just started to flow from the Spirit and they did not try to quench it. That is just my impression because I was not there and don't know exactly how it was like.

It is one reason I have felt unsure about speaking in tongues myself because when I thought of the bible and people speaking in tongues and my experience, it did not seem to match up because I had to start speaking on purpose for anything to come out. The only exception I have had was when I was asleep or halfway awake and halfway asleep.

I have been to a prayer group before and someone was praying for me that God would break ever chain off my life. I felt discouraged during that prayer because I started thinking of the stuggle with anxiety I was dealing with over really little things and just not feeling sure how I could get better. What he said next really shocked me and felt like my mind was being read. He was saying about how I was thinking how am I going to do this and that, but that the Lord was saying to me " I am with you and I will make it happen!". After that my mind went pretty quiet, possibly from shock. I wrote about that time in a journal and looked at it sometimes for encouragement. I have questioned if this was for real, but I think it is. I believe that God will help me and I think he may be helping me now. He has encouraged me through his word and other people have supported me through their words and prayer.

All 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit can be quenched by human reasoning - which is a mixture of doubt and fear of man.

Don’t dam The River - let It flow!

The River of God brings Life every where it FLOWS!!! Out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water.

LET THE RIVER OF GOD FLOW in the Name of JESUS!

May the Body of Christ be full of Life in the Earth!

I agree that if you are worried about what will people think and have doubts about gifts of the Spirit, it could potentially quench the Spirit. If someone has doubts about gifts of the Spirit, I believe they should investigate futher. It would be a good idea to pray, ask questions, read Scripture on it and talk with others.

If someone has doubts related to spiritual gifts or even the bible in general, keeping those doubts hidden and supressed will not help. When questioning is hiddened away and pushed away it can potentially grow even more. By bringing the questioning and doubts to light, it has at least a chance to lessen and faith to strengthen.

A couple of things. In I Corinthians 14, Paul indicates that people who speak in tongues need to follow certain rules of order for it, and it is possible for them not to do so. If speaking in tongues was totally out of our control, it does not make sense for Paul to write that.

About what you wrote above, I've had people give prophecies that answered things I was just thinking and I've witnessed plenty of prophecies that contained details that the one prophesying couldn't know naturally. I Corinthians 14 also mentions a scenario where someone goes into church and all prophesy and the secrets of his heart are made manifest.

Hello CherieR,

Yes definitely ask questions; however, be careful WHO you ask. Let God lead you to the right person or bring the right person to you.

Howbeit, keep in mind, if I ask man a question, he can only tell me what he knows, but If I ask God a question, He can tell me what HE knows. I definitely prefer God's answer to my question! LOL!

Once the River of God is flowing in us, we can be taught by the Lord - His Holy Spirit will teach us, not man.

1 John 2:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

It is perfectly fine to be taught by man, just be careful. The Holy Spirit is the BEST Teacher!

Acts 18:24-26 King James Version (KJV)
24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Acts 19:1-6 King James Version (KJV)
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

In a believer's life, it is important to be able to freely connect with God and be in communication with Him - pray without ceasing. The Holy Spirit is the power of God in us to send and receive messages. Much like a cell phone - the Holy Spirit "activates" us, we become fully charged and able to communicate, however, over time and with use we lose power and need to be "recharged." Thus, we stir up the gift of the Holy Spirit within us and do NOT quench it.

2 Timothy 1:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

As a fellow believer, I just want to encourage other believers to be "activated" and "fully charged" and flowing, bringing life wherever we go! God bless you all!

Tongues, God brining new prophecy in respect to the language of all the nations of the world .Is a sign against the unbelieving Jew that made the word of God (prophecy) to no effect by the oral traditions of men .This is something that began when Moses went up on Mount Sinai and God set the pattern writing with his own finger to show He is not served by human hands.

Emediatly they made it as that which represented the faith of Christ not seen but as it is written to no effect after a oral traditions of men

Mark 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

God with stammering lips is shown mocking those by inspiring His word in all the languages and not Hebrew alone.

Seiing doubt is not the opposite of faith. We understand unbeleif is, as in "no faith" Doubting is normal. It leads us to Him not seen .

God is no longer brining any new revelations as prophecy after any manner to include tongues.

No sign gifts to those who walk by faith the unseen eternal. Without his faith working in us to both will and do his good pleasure we could never find the spiritual understanding hid in His parables. Now that we have the whole or perfect with no laws missing by which we could know God not seen more adequately. The 20/20 prescription below must be applied to the parables.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

Garee, it's time to toss out this broken record!

Once again, the word is "bringing", not "brining". Please proof-read your work. None of us gets it perfect every time, but this is a consistent error on your part.

Once again, tongues is not prophecy, and prophecy is not tongues. They are clearly distinguished in 1 Corinthians.

Those who claim to bring "new revelations" by any means including but not limited to "tongues" are either confused or not speaking by the Holy Spirit. God can and does speak today; that does not mean He is speaking "new revelations".

Speaking in tongues is not "stammering". Were the apostles in Acts 2 "stammering"? There is no record of such. Is there any record in Scripture of people "stammering" when they spoke in tongues? No.

Those who were recorded to speak in tongues were not "seeking signs". Those who experience the gifts today are not (generally) "seeking signs". The ones who sought signs were the Pharisees and their ilk. There is no record of them speaking in tongues.

Aside from all this, there is no need to write "the unseen eternal" (or similar) after every mention of spiritual things. It's redundant and only obfuscates your message.

1 John 2:27 King James Version (KJV)

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I would be careful with that. We should emedaiatly refuse not be carefull. The warning is in regard to those who would seduce us as those who went out from us because they were not with the us, that us that God defines as the us .(Mark 9) The unseen of faith manner .

That does not mean we cannot have a favorite private interpretation as a commentary of what one believes the Holy Spirit teaching. But never to have it as it is written in respect to that seen . The word it represent the unseen eternal faith of God. It is the gospel key that the gates of hell could never prevail against

We are to call no man on earth Teacher, Master, Rabbi in that way, for one is in heaven . They are identified as antichrists that usurp the teaching authority of Christ.

The Book of Acts account in Chapter 2 is unique. Many descriptive these were mentioned that were not seen or mentioned in the Chapters going through the Book of ACTS. chapter 4:8, 31 Acts 9:17 Acts 13:9 . no rushing mighty wind , no cloven tongues of fire But what we do see is tongues and prophesying . this is in line with 1cor 12 14 chapters.

Sorry for your extra work my writing skills do suffer .Its a learning disability I was born with. I am glad he has blessed you .

Maybe we could write as short book together . I have a few ideas?
Yes, clearly "prophecy" (God's word) for those who believe and do not make prophecy without effect by a oral tradition of men as a sign against those who refuse to hear prophecy (the word of God).

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to "them" that believe, but to "them" that believe not: (no faith) but prophesying (declaring God's word) serveth not for "them that believe not" (no faith), but for "them" which believe.(those who do have faith )


Those who claim to bring "new revelations" by any means including but not limited to "tongues" are either confused or not speaking by the Holy Spirit. God can and does speak today; that does not mean He is speaking "new revelations".

Really? If not private revelations as private interpretations then what? We know the outcome of private revelations.

Pope Urban VIII on Private Revelation
His Holiness, Pope Urban VIII stated: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true."(Pope Urban VIII, 1623-44)


The record as to the foundation is in the prophecy (Isaiah 28) not the fulfilment of it.(1 Corinthians 14)

For with stammering lips(mocking lips) and another tongue (other languages other than Hebrew alone) will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet "they" would not hear (prophecy) But the word of the Lord (prophecy) was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord (prophecy), ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Isaiah 28:11-14
Yes they were not seeking anything. God moved them to speak prophecy (God's word) Its God who speaks in tongues all the languages of the world .His spiritual gift to us.... not from us.

We do not attribute that work to the feet of the apostles (blasphemy) but rather the lips of God. Today many seek after making a noise in a hope it is as sign that have the Holy Spirit, as sign seekers who do not walk by the faith the eternal prophecy of God .

Aside from all this, there is no need to write "the unseen eternal" (or similar) after every mention of spiritual things. It's redundant and only obfuscates your message.

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Sorry. Just a simply reminder. When we share with other we teach our own selves. I need the reminder to remember who it is who does bring to our mind the things he has previously taught us. It is easy for a old man to lose focus on the unseen things of God, the eternal.

This prophecy that you quote from Isaiah has nothing to do with tongues. This was chastisement to Ephriam for their drunkenness. Watch the content.

Isa 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

Why are you so heavily invested in demeaning one of God's gifts? What happened to you that you are so set disproving something you don't understand?

I am not demeaning it I am defining what it is. Why go above that which is written and violate the warning?

The context is in respect to those who refuse to hear the word of God (prophecy) using the tribe Ephraim as a example of those who refused to hear prophecy the word of God.But rather chased after the oral traditions of the fathers making as it is written to no effect.

Perhaps it is why Ephraim is not in the list or the 144,000 a number that represent the whole or perfect along with the tribe of Dan. Two tribes left out to represent a curse.

The men of Ephraim, though armed with bows, turned back on the day of battle; they did not keep God's covenant and refused to live by his law. They forgot what he had done, the wonders he had shown them. He did miracles in the sight of their fathers in the land of Egypt, in the region of Zoan. He divided the sea and led them through; he made the water stand firm like a wall. He guided them with the cloud by day and with light from the fire all night. He split the rocks in the desert and gave them water as abundant as the seas; he brought streams out of a rocky crag and made water flow down like rivers. But they continued to sin against him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. ... Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, as a man wakes from the stupor of wine. He beat back his enemies; he put them to everlasting shame. Then he rejected the tents of Joseph, he did not choose the tribe of Ephraim (Psalm 78:9-17,65-67).

Hosea wrote :Ephraim will be laid waste on the day of reckoning. Among the tribes of Israel I proclaim what is certain. ... Ephraim is oppressed, trampled in judgment, intent on pursuing idols (Hosea 5:9,11).

Maybe we could write as short book together . I have a few ideas?

No shame on a learning disability. We all have our weaknesses. I will try to remember that and be less critical of your writing.



Um, not sure why you quoted an apostate in this matter. The Scripture is adequate. As to private messages from the Lord, we should expect that our Father speaks to us. He will always speak consistently with Scripture, not contrary to it. However, what He has to say to a certain person in a certain context may not be recorded in Scripture. That doesn't mean that the message is an addition to Scripture though... not at all.

You quoted Isaiah 28 correctly, but you didn't quote 1 Corinthians correctly. Paul refers to the passage in Isaiah; he does not use the word, "stammering". We need to trust that the Holy Spirit led Paul to quote exactly what was needed for the Corinthians, and not add to it by inserting more from Isaiah.

Perhaps some do that, but not all. Let's not throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

Wrong again: Ephraim is synonymous with Joseph. So is Manassas but they were already assigned.

Rev. 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev. 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev. 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev. 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

So the tribe of Joseph in red is Ephraim's lot. Dan is omitted with Joseph's double portion.

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