Not By Works

or maybe YOU should

Oh I have........My brother has a doctorate in Greek and Hebrew, he is the one that turned me onto the what it really states......and it is interesting to say the least.....

Thank you Bill.

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.


The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.


Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

Does a person who teaches obedience to God causes another person to sin by doing so?


Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?


Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?


Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)

Is it obedience to God to break the law?


Who then causes another person to sin?


...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6

God bless.

ditto to your brother.......the churches are filled with "edcated theologians"
I prefer to agree with Sproul or Gill...etc etc etc

Who said anything about educated theologians? Was that a dig.....? If it was it was ignorant.....All I said was to look up a phrase from the Greek and see what it actually meant to a 1st century Greek speaking believer......I said nothing of theology!!!

Adam deliberately sinned, it was Eve who was first deceived by Adam then by Satan

God gave Adam instructions about that tree, Adam lied to Eve by adding to God's word about it..1st sin)..then Eve fell to the temptation and ate the apple (sin 2) and then Adam just had to have a bite too. (sin 3)

Eve didn't believe God, she trusted "another voice" over the Word of God. I think that was the message of this example created for our admonition.

Jesus said we are "Being saved" and that we "Shall be saved" if we do this or that. It's in your Bible. I think the religion that she was already "saved" or already immortal was a deception told her by the "other voice". It's still going on today.

There is a "Law" which requires Faith in God to receive the blessing. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time "omitted" this "Law". Eve also "omitted" this law and was punished.

Paul says "death" for sin is for the purpose of showing how exceedingly wicked and really really bad rebellion and disrespecting God is. So we would take it seriously and strive to "Rule over it" as the Christ told Cain.

God sent His Son to create the world, and life, and humans, and Salvation. "Many" who come in Christ name don't believe Jesus wrote down His fathers Will on tablets of stone, and then promised to became a man and write those same Laws on our hearts. Those who believe in this "Jesus" hear His Sayings and "Doeth them". But "many" hear His sayings and don't really believe, so the "doeth them not"..

Paul says we all know God, but don't "glorify Him as God". It seems Eve was included in that statement.

That would include everyone since His assenting to His Father.

The serpent convinced Eve of this very same falsehood. Genesis 3, see for yourself. Jesus said if we "believe" in Him, we will do what He says.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I believe in this Christ, the Word of God which became Flesh.

It is also prudent to note that God gave us the example of Eve who was deceived by "Another Voice" which used some of God's Words. He also gave us the example of Abraham who was most certainly tempted by the "other voice" as well. One obeyed the instructions of God no matter what, and the other was convinced to reject god's instructions by another voice.

These examples were written for our admonition. The example seems clear. It is better to listen to and obey God's instruction, than to listen to another voice and be convinced to reject God's instruction.

It seems your statement "Obedience has no bearing on salvation" is not accurate if the scriptures are to be believed.

Prove Adam lied.....my bible states clearly that Adams eyes were open AFTER he ATE....there is NO indication whatsoever at all that he LIED before HE ATE of the tree.....NOW You have a big problem with this view.......Adam was made perfect and given 1 rule...don't eat of that tree.....you are embellishing the word and NOTE EVE did not say that ADAM SAID....she said clearly that GOD HAS SAID.......both were perfect until the tree......

and you are the one who first mentioned that your brother had a theology degree, which insinuates that he knows more because he has a degree........which means about as much as those "theologians" who get their degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary.

I really don't care where you go on this idea of yours, its up to you, I am just saying i thought you were AMIL and I see you are not. I was disappointed but I'll live!

You said I was mysogynist........

God told Adam to not eat of the tree.....Adam told Eve that GOD SAID they were not to eat or TOUCH the tree (1st lie - adding to God's word)

I never said anything about theology....I can see you are one who likes to embellish.......and who said anything about Dallas....man you got quite a mouth and imagination.....

There is no indication whatsoever that either lied which places SIN BEFORE the TREE.....NOT biblical

I never said nor implied that....if you cannot be honest with what I say, by all means do not address me........

and man, I am not a man which makes me NOT a misogynist. HAH

I'd explain abut the Dallas TS thing, but I don't think you would get it even now.

yeah definitely the sort of thing i'd expect the Lord God to bring up when He holds court & declares the judgement of the serpent, the woman and the man -- in that order i might add.

Touche ........I am not impressed with Dallas Theological Seminary either......My Southern Baptist uncle went there and I for sure disagree with many things he embraces and peddles...like sharing his pulpit with other religions for one......

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The replacement of the bible with experience identifies Pentecostalism as a revival of the ancient heresy of mysticism. Pentecostals favorite words are: experience, power, feeling, ecstasy etc. This is Pentecostalism’s baptism “in” the Spirit, this is the nature of the Pentecostal meeting, this is its appeal to religious people, this is why women have a leading place in the movement.

your misogyny is showing.
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Other religions? You mean he'd let studyman preach there?

James 2:14
What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?