Book of Daniel, the key to eschatology

You are a liar

You claimed you were looking for the new heavens and earth, and we were not.. Sorry man, your not getting off that easy.

It does not have to day there is a literal 1000 year reign, The fact remains, THERE WILL BE A REIGN How long it is (the bible does say a thousand years.) or longer or even shorter is not even the point.

Your stuck on 1000 years. And ignore everything the bible says will HAPPEN during how ever many years that Jesus is rulling. Things which HAVE NEVER HAPPENED up till this day!

If you want to toss out Revelation, go ahead. What if we can point to something happening on earth in a future time-frame without Revelation. Try this:


When the disciples received the Holy Ghost in Acts 2, what was the reference to Joel about? And what about the part in the last verse (2:21) “that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved?”

Acts 2:16-21: “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Has there been any era where that has happened? Joel chapter 1 speaks about the devastation of the earth and the Day of the Lord (Future events).

Then Joel 2 ends with: 31: “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” 32: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.”

Many say we are already in God’s new covenant that was prophesied in the OT and in Acts/Hebrews.

Heb. 8:7-13 “For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Jer. 31:31-34 “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Do you see the direct link between Jeremiah and Hebrews? What about the parallels in Acts and Joel?

Acts 2:16-18 “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:”

First a time frame in Joel: Joel 2:1 “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;”

Next, It speaks of a restoration after the Day of the Lord. Then we are given a picture of the new covenant: Joel 2:28, 29 “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.”

What can we conclude from this? What we have today is not the New Covenant God was talking about. Not yet. The way I read that is everyone that calls on the Lord will have salvation. Surely, that is not today. So, when is it? Let me hear from you and let’s discuss it.

I have quoted scripture and all you have done is responded by calling me a liar twice. It says a lot more about you than it does me. Did I mention your name at all? I don't need to insult people here I only have to read some of the rubbish in print to know that some so called Prophecy experts have written similar ideas in the past and in all probability still do.

I'm looking for a New Earth others look for a 1000 year reign on the old one with king David
sitting on a wooden throne. To each their own

How can that be when the text makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR that Messiah was cut off BEFORE the 70th week?

MESSIAH CUT OFF
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself... (V 26)

The crucifixion of Christ was exactly 483 years after the commandment by Cyrus to rebuild Jerusalem. That is sixtynine "weeks" of 7 years each.

THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME MAKES THE COVENANT FOR ONE WEEK (7 YEARS)
And he [the Antichrist] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease... (V 27)

This "prince" is the Antichrist who sets up the Abomination of Desolation mentioned here, and this one week is yet future.

When did "the sacrifice and the oblation" cease, and by what cause?

Anybody got any idea about the extra days mentioned to Daniel?
What are those days for?

I said the MIDDLE of the 70 weeks.......that would be 3 1/2 yrs. That IS before the 70th week.

those extra days,.....which I have addressed before are the 45 days into the siege where some of the army departed and there was a lull that gave the Christians a chance to leave Jersalem and flee to Pella

1290 days (3 1/2 yrs) from the cross to the beginning of the siege (Jewish war)
+ 45 days from start of siege to the lull to flee total 1335 days

to attain to that short period begun at the 45th day was life saving

And you were mistaken. From the year when Cyrus gave the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem until the crucifixion ("Messiah cut off, but not for himself") was exactly 483 years.

The total is 490 years (70 x 7), therefore 7 years are for the future, which is connected to the Abomination of Desolation. And the Lord Jesus Christ Himself made that a future event:

MATTHEW 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand;

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:...

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

As is evident from above, there is a clear connection between the Abomination of Desolation and the Great Tribulation. And since the Great Tribulation is a TOTALLY UNIQUE EVENT which entails the future severe judgments of God, the Abomination of Desolation is still in the future. See Revelation 13 which speaks of the image of the Beast.

So Daniel's 70th week of 7 years is split into two -- the Tribulation (3 1/2 years) and the Great Tribulation (3 1/2 years less a few months for the elect's sake). In the middle of that period the Abomination of Desolation will be erected within the future temple at Jerusalem, where the Antichrist will sit, blatantly and blasphemously proclaiming that he is God: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thess 2:4)

The problem is as Daniel states the book is closed until the end times. I don't see the third temple built yet. Religious Jews in Israel are putting together the ability to do that. The site of the previous 2 temples has been excavated and the alter with Gion Springs flowing into a pool for the ceremonial cleansing has been found.

Second temple location - where was it built

Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y#

And you were mistaken. From the year when Cyrus gave the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem until the crucifixion ("Messiah cut off, but not for himself") was exactly 483 years.

The total is 490 years (70 x 7), therefore 7 years are for the future, which is connected to the Abomination of Desolation. And the Lord Jesus Christ Himself made that a future event:

MATTHEW 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand;

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:...

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

As is evident from above, there is a clear connection between the Abomination of Desolation and the Great Tribulation. And since the Great Tribulation is a TOTALLY UNIQUE EVENT which entails the future severe judgments of God, the Abomination of Desolation is still in the future. See Revelation 13 which speaks of the image of the Beast.

So Daniel's 70th week of 7 years is split into two -- the Tribulation (3 1/2 years) and the Great Tribulation (3 1/2 years less a few months for the elect's sake). In the middle of that period the Abomination of Desolation will be erected within the future temple at Jerusalem, where the Antichrist will sit, blatantly and blasphemously proclaiming that he is God: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thess 2:4)

There will be no 3rd temple. We are in the covenant of grace, no longer need the sacrifice of animals. The blood of Christ satisfied, once for all time, the required sacrifice for sin.

Religious Jews in Israel also are using a wall from Fort Antonia as the "wailing wall", not many years ago they were estatic over finding a red heifer for the sacrifice in their new temple (that still isn't built) I don;t know what happened to that poor cow.

Daniel Prophecy

Chapter 9
3rd vision in the 1st year of the reign of Darius, king of the Chaldeans 538 BC

2. Daniel gets information from the writing of Jeremiah:

The number of years (70) for the completion of the desolation of Jerusalem (the Babylon captivity/Jeremiah 25: 11-12) after which God promised to restore Israel….see notes under verse 24.

THESE VERSES ARE THE KEY TO THE REST OF THIS PROPHECY because the 70 years in this verse refer to the length of the BABYLON captivity (from the time of captivity until the Jews return to Jerusalem)


Verses 3 – 19 are Daniel’s prayer, a confession of his people’s sins and a plea for mercy
20 – 23 Gabriel comes to Daniel while he is praying, the angel came to give Daniel insight and understanding of the v
24. “70 weeks had been decreed for your people (Jews) and your holy city”.

( In Isaiah 45: 1-3, 13 the Lord gives the name of the one who would free them…CYRUS, who overthrew Babylon in October 539 BC. 42,360 Jews returned (Ezra 2:64) and the journey was completed from Babylon to Jerusalem by 535 BC…..EXACTLY 70 years from the year of their captivity in 605 BC)

This is Christ Jesus: verses 24 - 25
To finish the transgressions and sins and make atonement for their iniquity
Jesus was wounded for our transgressions Is 53:5…and made an end of them……IT IS FINISHED Heb 9:15 Heb 9:26 Matt. 1:21 John 1:29
Bring in everlasting righteousness
Seal up visions and prophecies (He is the fulfillment of prophesy, we look for no other Messiah)

Annoint the Most Holy (Jesus Christ Luke 4: 18-22)

25 From the going forth of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (by Artaxerxes I in 457 BC, the 7th year of his reign, see Ezra 7: 12-26…….the first advent view of prophecy)
Until Messiah the Prince……shall be 69 weeks (483 years) (7 +62)….the street and even the wall will be built. (see Nehemiah) 457BC to 27AD is 483 years

AND after the 62 weeks Messiah will be cut off (the CROSS)

And the people of the prince who is to come (one of the Caesars, the use of the singular ‘prince’ signifies one Caesar in particular, but the Caesar reign en toto was opposed to any worship but Caesar worship.) Revelation give the order of the kings (caesars)

These people will destroy the city and the temple….the end coming with a flood ( of invaders) and there will be much desolation such as the Lord has determined (ordained) (“ the people” are the army of Caesar)

And HE ( Jesus Christ) shall confirm the covenant (the NEW COVENANT) with the MANY (the sheep of the Jewish nation are the MANY) for one week*; and in the midst of the week he is cut off. (a week signifies 7 in days,, months or years) (the ministry of Jesus Christ lasted 3 ½ years)

Messiah is cut off in the middle of the 70th WEEK, or after 3 ½ years

th s


Good day GraceandTruth,

The Messiah was not cut off in the middle of the 70th week, but at the end of the 69th seven. The scripture reads as follows:

"Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of distress.

26Then [after] the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed.

Seven weeks (of years) = seven, seven year periods, i.e. 49 years

Sixty Two weeks = 62 seven year periods, i.e. 434 years

7 sevens x 62 sevens = 483 seven year periods at the end of which the Messiah was cut off, Christ crucified. This is made clear in verse 26 which says, "After the sixty two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off" not in the middle.

Therefore, the Messiah/Christ was crucified after the sixty nine sevens had taken place, with the last seven year period still future and which will be fulfilled in conjunction with Christ's return to the earth to end the age.

By the way, you are correct regarding king Artaxerxes, but it was Nehemiah who received the decrees in around 446 BC, not 457. If you will read Nehemiah, you will see that it was he that received the decrees to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, which were the letters to pass through the Trans-Euphrates region and letters to take wood from the kings forest for the rebuilding.

446 BC - 483 years = 37 AD. When taking the calendar change into consideration, this puts the Messiah being cut off in the right time frame.

th s


Good day GraceandTruth,

The Messiah was not cut off in the middle of the 70th week, but at the end of the 69th seven. The scripture reads as follows:

"Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of distress.

26Then [after] the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed.

Seven weeks (of years) = seven, seven year periods, i.e. 49 years

Sixty Two weeks = 62 seven year periods, i.e. 434 years

7 sevens x 62 sevens = 483 seven year periods at the end of which the Messiah was cut off, Christ crucified. This is made clear in verse 26 which says, "After the sixty two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off" not in the middle.

Therefore, the Messiah/Christ was crucified after the sixty nine sevens had taken place, with the last seven year period still future and which will be fulfilled in conjunction with Christ's return to the earth to end the age.

By the way, you are correct regarding king Artaxerxes, but it was Nehemiah who received the decrees in around 446 BC, not 457. If you will read Nehemiah, you will see that it was he that received the decrees to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, which were the letters to pass through the Trans-Euphrates region and letters to take wood from the kings forest for the rebuilding.

446 BC - 483 years = 37 AD. When taking the calendar change into consideration, this puts the Messiah being cut off in the right time frame.

Temple sacrifice (oblation) ceased at the CROSS.

Incorrect. The need for it ceased to exist but until the temple was destroyed in 70AD the Jews continued the practice since they rejected Jesus. Pilate played a trick on the Jewish leaders and they got upset with him pleading for him to change what he wrote on the sign above Jesus on the cross. The first letters of the words spell YHWH in Hebrew. Thus proclaiming Jesus was God.

Yeah thats what I though. You never admit when you are wrong. That would be too hard. That says alot about your character my friend. I just called you out

But here. I will let you see again, and see if YOU CONTINUE TO DENY YOUR SIN!

1. It was mocking
2. It suggested we were not looking for the new heavens and earth (A Lie)
3. It was actually quite childish (It did not prove anything, nor do anything to support your view) ie, it was a strawman response
4. Oh yeah, It proves YOU DID NOT JUST POST VERSES, so there is ANOTHER LIE!

2 in one post. Will you admit you were wrong? Or continue to deny!