Philosophical versus physcological
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Personal Truth
The phrase "personal truth" is a self refuting statement (it contradicts itself) and therefore, logically, no such thing can exist.
You are talking about a thing which does not, and cannot, exist.
This is an irrational proposition, and by definition an irrational proposition is just gibberish... it requires no debate.
We aren't going to debate any variety of relativism... it is self refuting by definition.
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Maverich,
I apologize for the large font, and if it sounded like I was yelling at you.
I'm not mad at you.
But the phrase "personal truth" has become a really insidious term in modern culture.
Most people use it, innocently, without really understanding what it means, or what it implies.
But failing to understand it only makes it more insidious.
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I apologize for the large font, and if it sounded like I was yelling at you.
I'm not mad at you.
But the phrase "personal truth" has become a really insidious term in modern culture.
Most people use it, innocently, without really understanding what it means, or what it implies.
But failing to understand it only makes it more insidious.
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Let me try this as I read the different post the different comments on the posts, I see a philosophical back and forth.
He said, she said, they said. A debate over what the bible means.
If you ever had an experience with Jesus then you have a personal truth it's not relativism. It is a literal personal truth.
Philosophically you may say or debate the accuracy of the above statement but it's still my truth. I had an experience. Psychologically what I'm attempting to do is Cher that truth.
Philosophically if you disagree with my truth you'll debate it which is hard for me to understand because the Bible is a psychological book I began back to my opening statement we need to change our mind a 180 degree turn if it has to do with the mind and it's like a logical theologians debate the Bible and so we have multiple denominations.
We have big words like ecumenical relativism Calvinism Lutheranism we have all these isms and everybody's right but are we cuz there is only one truth and it's a personal truth you have to know Jesus personally you have to have had an experience with him then you would understand what I'm saying
He said, she said, they said. A debate over what the bible means.
If you ever had an experience with Jesus then you have a personal truth it's not relativism. It is a literal personal truth.
Philosophically you may say or debate the accuracy of the above statement but it's still my truth. I had an experience. Psychologically what I'm attempting to do is Cher that truth.
Philosophically if you disagree with my truth you'll debate it which is hard for me to understand because the Bible is a psychological book I began back to my opening statement we need to change our mind a 180 degree turn if it has to do with the mind and it's like a logical theologians debate the Bible and so we have multiple denominations.
We have big words like ecumenical relativism Calvinism Lutheranism we have all these isms and everybody's right but are we cuz there is only one truth and it's a personal truth you have to know Jesus personally you have to have had an experience with him then you would understand what I'm saying
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Personal Truth #2
I don't think we can talk about "personal truth" before we first talk about "truth" -
there seems to be a misunderstanding of what "truth" actually means.
Let's start by defining TRUTH:
- Let's do a dictionary definition, and then let's do an even more precise philosophical definition.
- Why don't you start by giving us a nice dictionary definition of truth.
After you find a good definition of "truth", and we discuss what "truth: is, then we'll move on to the next step.
There's no point in discussing "personal truth", if we don't actually know the meaning of "truth."
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I don't think we can talk about "personal truth" before we first talk about "truth" -
there seems to be a misunderstanding of what "truth" actually means.
Let's start by defining TRUTH:
- Let's do a dictionary definition, and then let's do an even more precise philosophical definition.
- Why don't you start by giving us a nice dictionary definition of truth.
After you find a good definition of "truth", and we discuss what "truth: is, then we'll move on to the next step.
There's no point in discussing "personal truth", if we don't actually know the meaning of "truth."
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I say neither of the options found in the OP
The word is SPIRITUAL and SPIRITUALLY discerned and regardless of the two listed in the OP......it is the Spirit of GOD that makes it real, reveals it's truths and NO MAN naturally can understand ONE thing SPIRITUALLY out of the bible unless GOD opens their minds......
The word is SPIRITUAL and SPIRITUALLY discerned and regardless of the two listed in the OP......it is the Spirit of GOD that makes it real, reveals it's truths and NO MAN naturally can understand ONE thing SPIRITUALLY out of the bible unless GOD opens their minds......
What I found in talking to atheists and various other non-believers is that they would claim to base their beliefs on empirically proven facts, while they completely overlooked the FACT that "empirical" is primarily defined as being "derived from or guided by experience or experiment." The secondary definition is "depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory, especially as in medicine." When they would try to argue the point that personal experience is not mentioned, I had to point out to them that everything we know is based on the personal experience of one person or another. Nothing is known otherwise. I agree with you that it is a personal relationship with us that God desires, and Scripture attests to the fact that if we seek, we will find, for He promises to reveal Himself.
Jesus Christ is the embodiment of Truth. Were not for me experiencing God in profoundly personal ways, I doubt I would be a believer. I believe the Bible due to knowing God through direct personal experiences
I could not believe in God just because people told me to, or because they believed, or because the Bible said so.
Jesus Christ is the embodiment of Truth. Were not for me experiencing God in profoundly personal ways, I doubt I would be a believer. I believe the Bible due to knowing God through direct personal experiences
I could not believe in God just because people told me to, or because they believed, or because the Bible said so. Quick note for anyone following this thread:
I am NOT trying to undermine the faith by saying our "personal experience of God" is not logical or truthful.
I am trying to show we CAN and SHOULD contend for the faith COHERENTLY...
without descending into relativistic nonsense terms from pop culture.
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I am NOT trying to undermine the faith by saying our "personal experience of God" is not logical or truthful.
I am trying to show we CAN and SHOULD contend for the faith COHERENTLY...
without descending into relativistic nonsense terms from pop culture.
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I agree in part with what you said unfortunately there are 1 Point 2 billion people that have different beliefs that are based on philosophical beliefs yes the Bible is spiritually discerned yes that discernment comes from the Holy Spirit unfortunately too many people because they can't debate or don't know the Holy Spirit they create a conundrum with her with their own philosophical beliefs
Jesus called himself "the truth."
However, Jesus called himself "the truth" BECAUSE "truth" is a WORD which has some kind of MEANING that Jesus knew we could understand.
Jesus used a WORD which had some kind of MEANING... an established meaning... which WE COULD UNDERSTAND.
So WHAT does that WORD MEAN?
What is TRUTH; what does the WORD MEAN?
You can come here and talk in circles.... but you can't do philosophy, or biblical scholarship, if you're afraid to define a word.
Philosophers, scholars, and preachers... are not people afraid of words.
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if you look at the Hebrew definition of truth it means firmness it means all inclusive which means the Bible is all truth means Jesus is truth and by you asking me what truth is or the definition of it shows me that you don't know who Jesus is because the Hebrew is the root of all the words of the Bible now you'll debate me I'm sure because philosophically speaking that's what you do that's what all people that don't know who Jesus is due they try to override their lack of knowledge of Jesus with philosophical sayings strange language and quoting Bible but they never say anything personal because they've had no personal experience have a good day