Speaking in tongues

That was another pister saying Corinthians was not prescriptive and I disagreed.

IMO, that is rather weak. If both were 'gathered to his people', that doesn't mean there were two different sets of people. They could still be the same people. And it also points toward this being an idiom.

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So if Paul teaches that Christ is in believers and also believes that it is better to be with Christ than to remain alive in flesh, it is logical to say Paul believed he will be caught together with his listeners (indwell them) - something that he taught Corinthians/Thessalonians and now Philippians.

What is it you want it to say? What is the spiritual meaning of that parable? What kind of new language or tongues cast out demons?Is it the gospel as the language of God that causes demon to flee as it is written?

Is it not all about believing (having faith) or not believing? (no faith)

(1) Believe not prophecy ...the sign of rebel.

(2) Believe God's word prophecy.... the sign of one who hears God.

Caught up does not mean indwell. The way you arrive at your unusual theory is by redefining words, it seems. Paul was looking forward to a real resurrection of the dead, which Daniel described as the saints which slept in the dust arising. He was looking for the dead in Christ and the living saints being caught up to meet Christ in the air.

There is more than one kind of tongues.
I know of at least five different kinds.
The kind you are referring to is only one kind.
Therefore, the prescription only applies to that one.

What were you saying about Corinthians not being prescriptive?
But here you are discussing a prescriptive.

Wrong.

The people being spoken of are not physical but spiritual. This is the account of Aaron's death:

Num 20:
22 The whole Israelite community set out from Kadesh and came to Mount Hor. 23At Mount Hor, near the border of Edom, the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 24“Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land I give the Israelites, because both of you rebelled against my command at the waters of Meribah. 25Get Aaron and his son Eleazar and take them up Mount Hor. 26Remove Aaron’s garments and put them on his son Eleazar, for Aaron will be gathered to his people; he will die there.”

27Moses did as the Lord commanded: They went up Mount Hor in the sight of the whole community.28Moses removed Aaron’s garments and put them on his son Eleazar. And Aaron died there on top of the mountain. Then Moses and Eleazar came down from the mountain, 29and when the whole community learned that Aaron had died, all the Israelites mourned for him thirty days.

So when God told Moses that he will die and be gathered to his people just like Aaron died and was gathered to his people, He actually means two different groups spiritually and not physical because Moses died and was buried by God and the angels and not people.

This is Moses' death:

Deut 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, as the LORD had said.6And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab facing Beth-peor, and no one to this day knows the location of his grave.

Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous judgment against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

I can't see anything to suggest that Moses was gathered to the same people as Aaron.

You're welcome to your fanciful speculations, but they have nothing to do with biblically-sound doctrine.

Thanks a lot.

five different kinds? Five different languages/ tongues as clear sounds that make up words that carry a conversation? I know a person who speaks 7 different languages that convey the gospel in each .

That's a great point.
I do speak in tongues, but don't EXPECT anyone else to.
Even though I believe the ability is for any believer that wants it.
And I highly recommend it. But I neither expect it,
nor judge others who don't yet have use of it.

There are plenty of other evidences of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Like the Fruit of the Spirit. I do however take issue with those who
don't speak in tongues that either want to tell me what it is,
or when and how it is to be used.

No, God did not send me, i'm just arguing from my understanding and from my understanding, i know what can not be true.

Philippians 1 defeats your own position and backs my position. Paul is comparing two things 1) To remain in flesh and continue teaching them and winning those that are lost among them, and 2) to be with Christ

Paul says being with Christ is much better, but where is Christ?

Rom 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet the Spirit gives you life because of righteousness.

So if Paul teaches that Christ is in believers and also believes that it is better to be with Christ than to remain alive in flesh, it is logical to say Paul believed he will be caught together with his listeners (indwell them) - something that he taught Corinthians/Thessalonians and now Philippians.

I have never seen or heard legitimate tongues my entire life. And believe me, I am watching.
I have however heard and seen outrageous nonsensical gibberish posing as tongues. Bogus tongues can be seen on YouTube any time you like. Legitimate tongues? Quite the contrary.
Nor one single solitary legitimate miraculous healing of the "capital A" Apostle kind.

Your points 1 thru 4 are common to all Christians. In their native tongue unless they are polyglots.

I have never seen or heard legitimate tongues my entire life. And believe me, I am watching.
I have however heard and seen outrageous nonsensical gibberish posing as tongues. Bogus tongues can be seen on YouTube any time you like. Legitimate tongues? Quite the contrary.
Nor one single solitary legitimate miraculous healing of the "capital A" Apostle kind.

Your points 1 thru 4 are common to all Christians. In their native tongue unless they are polyglots.

You have a right to your opinion.
If you have never heard "legitimate" tongues how would you know the difference?

Oftentimes when I am out in public I will hear what sounds like tongues at my church.
When I look I see some foreigners speaking to one another.

Since you say only only apostles with a capital "A" can administer healing, I am guessing that you are a Cessationist.
You wouldn't believe they were authentic tongues no matter what.

I can vouch for what Sketch is saying. I was the son of a Pentecostal pastor who both spoke in tongues and interpreted. It was all done according to the instructions of the apostle Paul and there were always people in every congregation who had the gift.

Thanks. That's a good word.
I have never addressed the whole congregation in tongues.
But I do my personal prayer language and the same for intercessory prayer. (praying in the Spirit)
I have also seen healing come.

A man walked into a healing service using a cane because his back was in terrible pain.
He could barely walk. I was in the prayer line when they aske us to pray for the person ahead of us.
I felt a tremendous heat come on my hands. I didn't tell the man I was praying for that this was happening.

I asked if he felt anything while I prayed for him. He reported a tremendous heat on his back where I was laying my hands.
His pain had gone from a 10 to an 8, so we pressed in until it went to 5 and then 3 and then 0.
Afterwards he was walking around the sanctuary waving the cane over his head praising God.
The next Sunday he testified before the church that he had been healed and that I had prayed for him.
This has not happened to me since. I thought God was showing me that I had a healing ministry. Not so.

Speaking in tongues is a gift to speak in another language you didn't learn on your own, but it is God giving you the gift to speak to others so you may testify, spread the Gospel and so on to others if you don't know their language.

The tongues that go - "waka batta riki tiki ozu kiss me!" while someone throws their hands up in middle of a chapel service or even do it alone in a room are not real gifts of God of speaking in tongues. The bible clearly states someone should not be speaking in tongues if people don't understand and there is no translator. Speaking in the tongues Pentecostals refer to is a lie and misunderstood.

I prayed about it, for the fact most my family are Pentecostals, they do this, and they claim if you are saved you will do this. I studied a long time to be sure about this and asking the Lord for understanding. Even at a service, the pastor who does this fake stuff tried to teach my friend how to do it, but his voice just goes "uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh" and they tell him he will start to speak in tongues eventually if he is saved and has the holy spirit. But he always went "uhhhh." So would I if I believed that junk.

They tell me they don't even know what they are saying to God, but they can feel something while they do it. Its as if God is glorifying himself by speaking through you. If you ask me, that looks completely useless and not like any of the other things God does. It serves no need or purpose. Would he rather us not know what we are saying to him? Do we need to speak in another language to glorify him? No.

I know if I was willing to do the will of god and seek him with all my heart that he would reveal the truth about his words, and he did. But of course even some Pentecostals debate on certain details how and what speaking in tongues is. Some say all Christians will have this gift, it's a sign you are saved and filled with the spirit, some say it's only a gift for some chosen people and such.

I know it's all false. It has a purpose to translate. It serves a godly purpose. That gibberish doesn't.

I've read enough scripture, seen enough experiences and spoke with the Lord about it long enough to know.