Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?

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so, what is prophecy?

God reading tomorrow's newspaper today? or does He bring it about?
are their instances of both?
God knows the future from His foreknowledge of the future.. He does inject himself into History along the way in the form of His Holy Spirit and The Messiah Jesus.. But again He does not force anyone to respond with agreement to the conviction of the Holy Spirit or the Words of Jesus.. He provides an option for humanity.. Just as satan has injected himself into History providing people with his message and the option of following him in his rebellion against God.. People are free to embrace whom they will to embrace and reject whom they will to reject..

Ultimately God will being about His eternal plane to fruition.. But He will use the free willed reactions of the people of this world and the Angels and His input to bring it about perfectly..
 

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My post was not to you Lillywolf.. Therefore please to do interfere with a discussion between other people..
To the contrary. Refer to post 515. You were speaking to me and I replied. Please do know of what you speak before thinking to berate someone for actually answering you when you posted to them.

Furthermore, this is a public forum on the Internet. It is not a private conclave of discourse. If you are a paid member you may speak privately to anyone you choose. While in the public domain your remarks, as are mine, are subject to anyone's response.
 

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God knows the future from His foreknowledge of the future.. He does inject himself into History along the way in the form of His Holy Spirit and The Messiah Jesus.. But again He does not force anyone to respond with agreement to the conviction of the Holy Spirit or the Words of Jesus.. He provides an option for humanity.. Just as satan has injected himself into History providing people with his message and the option of following him in his rebellion against God.. People are free to embrace whom they will to embrace and reject whom they will to reject..

Ultimately God will being about His eternal plane to fruition.. But He will use the free willed reactions of the people of this world and the Angels and His input to bring it about perfectly..
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
(Matthew 17:24-27)

did the coin get in the fish by God's foreknowledge?
did He bring it to pass?
 

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If you are a paid member you may speak privately to anyone you choose.
don't even have to be a paid member to use PM's

((tho a person may set their account to prevent receiving them except from friends))


i don't get the whole 'don't post in my public thread' attitude some people have.. it's not how forums are meant to work, as far as i understand them.
 

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To the contrary. Refer to post 515. You were speaking to me and I replied. Please do know of what you speak before thinking to berate someone for actually answering you when you posted to them.

Furthermore, this is a public forum on the Internet. It is not a private conclave of discourse. If you are a paid member you may speak privately to anyone you choose. While in the public domain your remarks, as are mine, are subject to anyone's response.
Nope i was not responding to you..
 

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And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
(Matthew 17:24-27)

did the coin get in the fish by God's foreknowledge?
did He bring it to pass?
If the fish had come upon and swalled a coin while doing the things that Fish do then Jesus would have known it was going to have a coin in it on that day at that time.. But i do not know why you are asking me this.. It could be that he caused the coin to materialize inside the fish and caused the fish to latch onto Peters cast..

But i am not sure why you are asking this question??
 

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don't even have to be a paid member to use PM's

((tho a person may set their account to prevent receiving them except from friends))

i don't get the whole 'don't post in my public thread' attitude some people have.. it's not how forums are meant to work, as far as i understand them.
I think you are getting your forums confused.
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Nope i was not responding to you..
That's false. Get over it.
Saturday at 5:41 AM
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Lillywolf said:
The definition of free will is posted. That God is omniscient is without dispute. That his word tells us he foreknows, predestines, and foreordains all that occurs according to his will, for his purposes, and for his glory, is also without dispute because to say we believe God's word is to accept God's words when he tells us these things.

Anything else is demonstration of our unwillingness to accept God at his will, and in the interim create God in our preferred image and likeness of what we prefer to believe about something we call, God.

God said it.
How does someone who believes in God not believe he said it.
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Once again it is your interpretation of what He declared that i disagree with.. No point stating the Positon i hold again,, i have already given it.. So we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one..
 

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I think you are getting your forums confused.
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this must be a new development that doesn't apply to old timers.

thanks for the info, and you've got mail! from a non paying member! ha! :D
 

Lillywolf

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I saw that. Ain't you speeeeecial. :p
Hey, good to know that "old timers" can still PM for free. Apparently the PM policy is new and applies to new members.
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Members
Those fresh young thangs like meself don't ya know.
 

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That's false. Get over it.
Saturday at 5:41 AM
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Lillywolf said:
The definition of free will is posted. That God is omniscient is without dispute. That his word tells us he foreknows, predestines, and foreordains all that occurs according to his will, for his purposes, and for his glory, is also without dispute because to say we believe God's word is to accept God's words when he tells us these things.

Anything else is demonstration of our unwillingness to accept God at his will, and in the interim create God in our preferred image and likeness of what we prefer to believe about something we call, God.

God said it.
How does someone who believes in God not believe he said it.
Click to expand...
Once again it is your interpretation of what He declared that i disagree with.. No point stating the Positon i hold again,, i have already given it.. So we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one..
You need to go back and follow the line of quotes and you will see i was not responding to you.. I invite anyone to follow this back and see i was responding to another user...