The 7 are His

Seeking input…


Ok let me present some scriptures first.


And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
Revelation 5:6 NASB


Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God;
Revelation 4:5 NASB


"To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: 'I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
Revelation 3:1 NASB



and…


The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord .
Isaiah 11:2 NASB


OK, you probably know with the scriptures presented where I am going with this..

What exactly was John seeing, and what are the seven spirits of God.

We are told that they are seen as 7 horns and 7 eyes on like a slain Lamb….

We have seen them as 7 lamps of fire, which to me that points to the lampstand that was mentioned in Rev 1:20 which would then be the churches.


Ugh no that doesn't make sense.


Let's move to the common interpretation leading us to Isaiah 11:2…


That doesn't work for me, either. Let me try and explain.


The spirit of the Lord, seems to have these attributes, knowledge and understanding, counsel and strength, fear and knowledge. I read that saying the spirit of the Lord, has those 6 things. Also if we look closer, the way it is presented, leaves me even more perplexed.


Spirit of knowledge and understanding = 1 spirit with 2 attributes

Spirit of counsel and strength = 1 spirit with 2 attributes

Spirit of knowledge and fear = 1 spirit with 2 attributes.

So I can see the menorah concept lining up with the visual given in Isaiah 11:2 , but not the 7 spirits of God.

You all have any thoughts on this? What am I missing? Is this one of those no one really knows things, not until that one fine day of unveiling?

Taps toes, waiting anxiously... R ur answers here yet? Lolol.

My brothers don't mind my sharing this as it is on the Net and easy to find.
Click to read details. (Revelation 1)

Isaiah 11
The Righteous Reign of the Branch
11 There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse,
and a branch from his roots shall bear fruit.
2 And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him,
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.

But as you see that adds up to one being the spirit of the Lord , then 6 other... it doesn't work out in my blonde gone white roots, lol.

Hmmmmm, i found this theory pondered @ wwwtruechurch.info.

If the seven Spirits are accepted, then it becomes apparent that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (who is seven Spirits). Adding this up equals 9, and that is the number of "Holy"s found in the Majority of Greek manuscripts in Revelation 4:8.

This statement is made in the context of the One who sat on the Throne (Revelation 4:2-3), the seven Spirits of God (Revelation 4:5), and the Lamb (Revelation 5:6). Indeed, there is no explanation given, but it is an interesting statement in the light of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (who is seven Spirits), all being the one Lord God Almighty.

Don't stone me, I just copied and paste the thoughts of another. I am not advocating 9 just that it was interesting.

Yeah CharlieRenee,

I can't accept Isaiah 11:2 for proof that it's just 7 attributes of the Holy Spirit either! The numbers do not add up. You have the OBJECT of the sentence and then basically 6 attributes or 3 attributes depending on how you want to view it. The traditional understanding most use on Isaiah 11:2 does not add up, so very good question indeed. I am anxious to see others input.

Rev. 5:6-7:
“6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the Throne and of the four Beasts, and in the midst of the Elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain (the Crucifixion of Christ is represented here by the word “Lamb,” which refers to the fact that it was the Cross which Redeemed mankind; the slain Lamb Alone has Redeemed all things), having seven horns (horns denote dominion, and “seven” denotes total dominion; all of this was done for you and me, meaning that we can have total dominion over the powers of darkness, and in every capacity; so there is no excuse for a lack of victory) and seven eyes (denotes total, perfect, pure, and complete illumination of all things spiritual, which is again made possible for you and me by the Cross; if the Believer makes the Cross the Object of his Faith, he will never be drawn away by false doctrine), which are the Seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the Earth (signifying that the Holy Spirit, in all His Perfection and universality, functions entirely within the parameters of the Finished Work of Christ; in other words, it is required that we ever make the Cross the Object of our Faith, which gives the Holy Spirit latitude, and guarantees the “dominion,” and the “illumination” [Isa. 11:2; Rom. 8:2]).

7 And He (the Lord Jesus Christ) came and took the Book out of the Right Hand of Him (God the Father) Who sat upon the Throne. (All of Heaven stands in awe as the Lamb steps forward to take the Book.)”

JSM

It all sounds good, but no scripture to show that the 7 spirits = the Holy Spirit in its completeness. Just nice words that sound good tbh. If ur'e referencing Isaiah 11:2 for the fullness of the Spirit, again, that doesn't add up either. I'm also not saying I disagree with you, but there is no scriptural evidence shown for what is written.

To further explain why I don't believe Isaiah 11:2 works or fits is because when Christ was Baptized, the Spirit of the Lord descended upon Him in the form of a dove.

So Isaiah would be talking about that Spirit ... so the attributes after this would be describing the Spirit that landed upon Him.... 6 attributes that describe the subject (Spirit) or 3 attributes depending on how you group them.

So the subject is the Spirit of the Lord resting upon Christ, then it gives description. One cannot include the subject as an attribute.

When you take the passage from Isa 11:1-5, everything fits. So please note:

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him,

[1] the spirit of wisdom

[2] and understanding,

[3]the spirit of counsel

[4] and might,

[5]the spirit of knowledge

[6]and of the fear of the LORD;

[7] And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. [since loins and reins are synonymous, righteousness and faithfulness are together]

Ok yes, gotcha. At first i thought oh wait the spirit of the Lord landed on the Lord, so then 11:2 would work, but then as you went on about the difference between the subject (Holy Spirit) and the 6 attributes of.

Well you can't group ONE set and then say the next set with AND is separated. By your count there are 8 attributes now.

You can't put Wisdom and Understanding as "separate" and then group Righteousness and Faithfulness "as one". So it still doesn't add up tbh...

Not that I"m denying or don't think it's the Holy Spirit in its fullness, but the traditional concept of Isaiah 11:2 being the answer is not adding up.

I almost heard angels singing because, yay, it adds up Nehemiah, but am curious about what Epiales just said. Because if we don't group them together with the ands we have 8 and if we do then we have 4. Make sense what I am saying? Hmmmm, so perplexing, Brother. I know that I am missing something.

I think we are all missing something! TBH! Hopefully we can get sufficient biblical evidence to what these 7 spirits of God are.

Emmanuel, "God with us", Jesus embodied those seven qualities.
I think Revelation is meant to keep us seeking answers because we learn more about what it is to be in faith as opposed to simply having faith.
Just my experience. "blonde gone white roots..." Those ain't gray hairs, they're the antenna of wisdom keepers.

My cousin says he's not bald. It's a solar panel for an eating machine.
Perception is reality.
(looks outside. Porsche, Porsche, Porsche..... opens eyes.....Dang it! Ford, Ford, Ford)

Not saying this is it, but there are 7 things we are to add to our faith in 2nd Peter 1:5-7

It is also noteworthy that the definite article "the" is used when speaking of the 7 spirits of God.....

Well looky here, there are seven, huh...

and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness, and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love.
2 Peter 1:6‭-‬7 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/2pe.1.6-7.NASB

Thanks bro. Hmmmm, makes ya wonder, for sure.

Noting ties that verse to Revelation as well....