Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

These folks that complain about "OSAS" say that we can lose our salvation by our own doing.
How is that even possible? Even in the case of apostacy, it is in God's hands.
WE CANNOT UNDO WHAT ONLY GOD CAN DO IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!!!!!!!!!!

No, I did not say that if someone "sins willfully they are lost forever". Where did I say they were lost forever?

I said if they turn away from Christ BY LOSING THEIR FAITH IN HIM they will perish. That is exactly what the Scripture says in Hebrews 10.

Scripture confirms in Hebrews 10: 29 that they were already sanctified before they turned away. That means they were real believers. To say otherwise is to deny what the Scripture says there.

OSAS comes from the following quote of Jesus. Explain how you can get around this?

John 10 NIV. No one can snatch them out of My hand
22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

OSAS comes from the following quote of Jesus. Explain how you can get around this?

John 10 NIV. No one can snatch them out of My hand
22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

CAN THEY LOSE THEIR FAITH?

So the WORKS TESTIFIED ABOUT JESUS, DOES IT TESTIFY ABOUT YOU?

NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM FROM THE FATHER'S HANDS IS TRUE BUT CAN ANYONE EVEN THE BELIEVERS OR THE SHEEP'S GET LOST OR EVEN RUN AWAY FROM THE FATHER?

CAN THEY BE TEMPTED OR DECEIVED BY FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE TEACHERS IN THIS LAST DAYS.

CAN THEY LOSE THEIR FAITH?

So the WORKS TESTIFIED ABOUT JESUS, DOES IT TESTIFY ABOUT YOU?

NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM FROM THE FATHER'S HANDS IS TRUE BUT CAN ANYONE EVEN THE BELIEVERS OR THE SHEEP'S GET LOST OR EVEN RUN AWAY FROM THE FATHER?

CAN THEY BE TEMPTED OR DECEIVED BY FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE TEACHERS IN THIS LAST DAYS.

CAN THEY LOSE THEIR FAITH?

We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Jesus stated we can't be taken from him. He protects us from losing faith in him by being in his hand. Why are you arguing against what Jesus stated plainly?? You are denying your name!!!

Absolutely. In the Bible we have people with compromised, shipwrecked, and lost faith. We have people who have moved their faith from Jesus to something or someone else. Since we stand on faith, if we abandon the faith, we have lost that which we stand on. That is why the many warnings to endure......

We also see God warning us of false prophets and the danger there in. They cannot lead us away from God unless we decide to follow them, but mark the warning of Paul "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."

Sorry. I thought this is a bible discussion forum.

So the WORKS TESTIFIED ABOUT JESUS, DOES IT TESTIFY ABOUT YOU?

NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM FROM THE FATHER'S HANDS IS TRUE BUT CAN ANYONE EVEN THE BELIEVERS OR THE SHEEP'S GET LOST OR EVEN RUN AWAY FROM THE FATHER?

CAN THEY BE TEMPTED OR DECEIVED BY FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE TEACHERS IN THIS LAST DAYS.

CAN THEY LOSE THEIR FAITH?

OSAS comes from the following quote of Jesus. Explain how you can get around this?

John 10 NIV. No one can snatch them out of My hand
22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

Further, please show me this ...OSAS... teaching in Christianity before the 1960's? I have issued that challenge to you before with no response.

Good point. Why warn these true believers of the wolves entering if there is no real danger of apostasy?
What about that?

I think the OSAS debate will never be solved this side of heaven. One side quotes nothing can separate us from the love of God the other side quotes some will leave the faith in the last times etc.

So its a tug of war between verses.

I miss the reformation times when OSAS was perseverence of the saints, not 'how much sin can we get away with and still be saved'

E....,
That scripture refers to the aftermath of G-d granting us eternal salvation after His judgement....our salvation is forever....no one can steal it from us/G-d.
What is it that you do not comprehend about this; Scripture says we must maintain (righteousness) until the end (death)..... allow no man to steal your crowns. There are many references which provide that G-d's intent is very clear....we must live a life according to His commands...not for a little while.

Further, please show me this ...OSAS... teaching in Christianity before the 1960's? I have issued that challenge to you before with no response.

E....,
That scripture refers to the aftermath of G-d granting us eternal salvation after His judgement....our salvation is forever....no one can steal it from us/G-d.
What is it that you do not comprehend about this; Scripture says we must maintain (righteousness) until the end (death)..... allow no man to steal your crowns. There are many references which provide that G-d's intent is very clear....we must live a life according to His commands...not for a little while.

Further, please show me this ...OSAS... teaching in Christianity before the 1960's? I have issued that challenge to you before with no response.

Look at the underlying Greek. Harpazo means to "carry off by force". We cannot be snatched (a verb meaning that someone else takes us) away from Christ. You can look this up. But we CAN separate ourselves. Many, many scriptures testify to this truth. That is what the meaning of the passage says.

The fact is that the Reformers all believe in the eternal security of the believers since the 16th century. You can read the Westminster Confession of Faith for confirmation. They did not call it OSAS.

So the WORKS TESTIFIED ABOUT JESUS, DOES IT TESTIFY ABOUT YOU?

NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM FROM THE FATHER'S HANDS IS TRUE BUT CAN ANYONE EVEN THE BELIEVERS OR THE SHEEP'S GET LOST OR EVEN RUN AWAY FROM THE FATHER?

CAN THEY BE TEMPTED OR DECEIVED BY FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE TEACHERS IN THIS LAST DAYS.

CAN THEY LOSE THEIR FAITH?

I would offer according to those whose names are written in the lambs book of life before 1960 or before he said; "Let there be and there was substance" and he saw it was good. , as the foundation of this world. We are freely given our surety as a living Hope that will not disappoint us who have the Spirit of Christ.. if any man has not, they do not belong to Him.

Christ is our living confidence in respect to a imputed righteousness .(Philippians 2:12-13 ) and we are informed not to complain if a person thinks one is not doing enough work or favoritism like Peter was with John and Peter not keeping his eye on Jesus started a lie as a oral tradition or what the scripture says do without murmuring. He also promises us he will not forget the good works we offer towards His name as one of the better things that accompany salvation


Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a "good work" in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ Philipians 1:6

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his "good pleasure". Do all things without murmurings and disputings Philipians 2: 12-13

As new creatures again given a living hope and not one receiving the promise of the new incorruptible bodies, we continue to walk by faith in a hope of receiving the end of the promise. Again he works in us to both will and do His good purposes our living hope .

How can we lose a hope based on the works of God?