Not By Works

Are you fixing to move there?

I have houses in both....last few years spent about equal time in both. Here for 6 weeks

I better store up on gas. As soon as you come back, prices will jump 50 cents a gallon.

You have jokes hey "mate" hah and the value of the US will jump in price by my presence

Keep talking, we're wearing waders, getting deep in here.

How expensive is gas in Australia?

OK Pumbaa:

"Argueless" also known as "Seoche" who was banned has now illegally come back to Chrstianchat.com.

Argueless, you are actively practicing falsehood by illegally returning to Christianchat.com after being banned. your candle stick has been removed and you have just condemned yourself to the "Lake of Fire.", the bible verse you just posted say's that, "All Liars", will take their place in the fiery lake of burning sulfur, the second death." (Revelations21:8).

While you still have time to repent you should at the very lest remove yourself from this forum, since you were already legally banned by Christianchat.com and possibly make an apology for deceiving the entire forum. Your words or posting of bible verses are meaningless, since they are posted by an illegal poster.
Argueless, here are a few more verses about "Liars and Deceivers",

Revelation 22:15
Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who "loves and practices falsehood."
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he "who breathes out lies will perish."
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, "liars", perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Revelation 21:27
But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is "detestable or false", but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, "for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Hahhaha was that a metaphor directed at me........ 😈

Like around $6 a gallon....give or take depending where you go....6 probably splits the middle

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.


These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)


...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13


...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2


How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?


..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.


...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1‭-‬19




Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.


The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.


Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?




So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

For the record...I have called him Seoche probably 30 or so times and he has not denied it...he does post after the same style with long drawn out judgmental and accusatory posts...So I am Assuming....if I am wrong...my bad and will apologize.....the verbiage and style are on par with each other!

Thank you and I will follow suit, is there any way the Moderator's can check his IP address to make a positive identification, I reckon there is not much any one person can do if a poster is going to lie about his identity.

This speaks loud and clear about his deceptive character and lack of honor, thanks decon.

I put him on ignore......I will save the "pearls" for those least likely to trample them into the mire

If obedience were a requirement for the retention of salvation, it could not, nor ever be, the gift that the Scriptures say it is. Obedience is important for growth, and God will certainly chastise a disobedient child, but our salvation is never in question. If obedience is the requirement, God says we must be perfect, as perfect as He is. How do you think you'd measure up?

You confuse salvation and sanctification. The only "work" God requires for salvation is belief. (John 6:28-29)

Have you departed from lawlessness (sinning)?

I can assure you, you have not. You still sin, yet play the hypocrite by making demands of others that you yourself don't obey.

Correction!
10 tribes scattered first. They disappeared into history. The country of Judah was scattered next. They have retained their identity for 2,000 years. Judah was called Jews by the king of the northern 10 tribes. In keeping their identity that long is a miracle. All other peoples turned out of their homeland have lost their identity.

Poor dcon will have a hissy fit denying this.

Argueless is Seoche?

It all makes sense now. Thanks dcon. I'm going to be that deceiver on ignore as well.

My, my...the hypocrisy of some folks.

If you are a Calvinist, you believe God chooses some for heaven and some for hell. I asked you a simple question. Do all babies who die go to heaven, or does God choose some to go to hell?

Hardly pal......12 tribes scattered abroad not only trumps your ridiculous notion but also makes you look foolish.....as well as denying the historical fact that there were remnant's of both Kingdoms.....some of the people from the Northern tribes fled to Judah and were carried away captive by Babylon and returned into the land....put down the commentaries and creeds and pick up the bible....it will set you free pal!

Amen.....it qould be a debt earned and owed.....

Not by works of righteousness is as clear as it gets....!!