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eternally-gratefull

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Well it just goes again to show why I have placed some people on ignore

As for EG, EG has been called out on occasion and admitted his sin. And he have asked certain people to hold him accountable.

But as you see. Some people are too proud that they will never admit their sin, Just continue to blame shift.
 
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preacher4truth said:
"Attack" is such an over used word on this site, generally used on those hated by another person isn't it? "He 'attacked' you, me, them!" It's a form of "attack" in itself. I'd say "slander" is generally used in the same way.

Disagreeing and showing ideologies as bogus isn't attacking.
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The rule of thumb usually is: If someone tells me im wrong, its an attack. If I tell someone their wrong, its just a friendly correction. :D

No but seriously preacher, is there any calvinist preachers you know of who have done a sermon on the story of Saul? Id be interested to hear it. Its one of my roadblocks for sure.

If the story of Saul and "God wants all to be saved and come to repentance" verses didnt exist i'd definately be a calvinist.
 
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Hevosmies said:
The rule of thumb usually is: If someone tells me im wrong, its an attack. If I tell someone their wrong, its just a friendly correction. :D

No but seriously preacher, is there any calvinist preachers you know of who have done a sermon on the story of Saul? Id be interested to hear it. Its one of my roadblocks for sure.

If the story of Saul and "God wants all to be saved and come to repentance" verses didnt exist i'd definately be a calvinist.
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You can tell me I am wrong all you want, I will never take that as an attack. So your rule would be flawed
 
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Hevosmies said:
The rule of thumb usually is: If someone tells me im wrong, its an attack. If I tell someone their wrong, its just a friendly correction. :D

No but seriously preacher, is there any calvinist preachers you know of who have done a sermon on the story of Saul? Id be interested to hear it. Its one of my roadblocks for sure.

If the story of Saul and "God wants all to be saved and come to repentance" verses didnt exist i'd definately be a calvinist.
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On King Saul:
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/life_of_david/sauls-judgment-davids-blessing/

I imagine you're referring to 2 Peter 3:9? The you there references the elect. What have you read as far as commentary on this?

Here's is James White on 1 Timothy 2:4:


 
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preacher4truth said:
Watch this short one on 2 Peter 3:9:

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Its the us-ward there yeah. Ive noticed that even in my own bible study. Hence I just havent used it for a long time when debating calvinists.

But i havent even completed the 1 timothy 2:4 video and already im seeing problems with my view.
If Jesus is the mediator for ALL people, then ALL are saved. Because in the book of hebrews they have forgiveness in Jesus' blood and it says God will not remember their sins no more. Jesus is the mediator of that covenant in which their sins arent remembered anymore. And if He is mediator for everyone, then nobodys sins are remembered.

Oy vey!
 
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Hevosmies said:
Its the us-ward there yeah. Ive noticed that even in my own bible study. Hence I just havent used it for a long time when debating calvinists.

But i havent even completed the 1 timothy 2:4 video and already im seeing problems with my view.
If Jesus is the mediator for ALL people, then ALL are saved. Because in the book of hebrews they have forgiveness in Jesus' blood and it says God will not remember their sins no more. Jesus is the mediator of that covenant in which their sins arent remembered anymore. And if He is mediator for everyone, then nobodys sins are remembered.

Oy vey!
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Jesus was never promised to be the mediator for everyone

One who continually mediates is not the same as one who ofers salvation.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Jesus was never promised to be the mediator for everyone

One who continually mediates is not the same as one who ofers salvation.
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Wait a minute, back up the truck and put it in park..

Jesus is our ONLY mediator. And unless I'm missing something, He is the ONLY one who offers salvation. Other than God.
 
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Hevosmies said:
Its the us-ward there yeah. Ive noticed that even in my own bible study. Hence I just havent used it for a long time when debating calvinists.

But i havent even completed the 1 timothy 2:4 video and already im seeing problems with my view.
If Jesus is the mediator for ALL people, then ALL are saved. Because in the book of hebrews they have forgiveness in Jesus' blood and it says God will not remember their sins no more. Jesus is the mediator of that covenant in which their sins arent remembered anymore. And if He is mediator for everyone, then nobodys sins are remembered.

Oy vey!
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Exactly. Growing in seeing and understanding context comes with time. It coincides with Paul's prayer in Ephesians 1:15-23. Our held traditions get washed away with his truth.
 
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Hevosmies said:
But it doesnt say "offers" salvation. It says that Jesus saves.
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Depends

It says he is the savior of all ESPECIALLY those who believe

It says he saves and gives all who recieve him the power to become sons of God.

It also says he is the mediator between God and those tho whome he is high priest too (he is not high priest to the unbeliever)
 
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Budman said:
Are there babies/children in hell?
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I do not know my friend.
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If you are consistent in your Calvinism, you must accept the fact that when some babies/children die in infancy, some are chosen for heaven and some for hell. Having no chance whatsoever for salvation.

Which makes Calvinism one of the most sickening belief systems in existence.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Wait a minute, back up the truck and put it in park..

Jesus is our ONLY mediator. And unless I'm missing something, He is the ONLY one who offers salvation. Other than God.
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He mediates for his children

He offers salvation to the lost.

Satan does not go and accuse the lost to God. Causing Jesus to mediate, They are already lost.
 
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TruthTalk said:
Hi Budman, please show proof that Calvinism teaches predestination to hell
and that it teaches God will send children to hell, I don't see it.

Your choice of graphics to explain your view of Calvinism is in poor taste don't you think.

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John Calvin himself said; "There are babies a span long in hell."
 
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