Is Catholocism bad?

Wow, lots of Christians judging other Christians...

Scripture makes it very clear that there is one supreme Judge of all—the Lord God—and that He alone has the authority to determine right and wrong motives and behaviors.

IMHO: Mother Teresa and numerous Catholic grandmothers around the world are Godly Women who are destined for eternal salvation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa

Judge Not, That You May Judge Well
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/judge-not-that-you-may-judge-well

Christians are not to judge other Christians. And Christians are to judge other Christians. That’s what the Bible teaches. In fact, the apostle Paul says both things in the same letter just a few paragraphs apart.
Don’t judge other Christians.
Judge other Christians.
Is Paul contradicting himself? No. Paul is simply instructing us that there are things we must not judge and things we must judge.

This article goes on to address:
What We Must Not Judge
We must not judge “the hidden . . . purposes of the heart” of other Christians based on their decisions, actions, perspectives, words, or personality that concern us if those things themselves are not explicitly sinful (1 Corinthians 4:5). We must not assume sin if we suspect sin, given how biased our suspicions can be.

What We Must Judge
Christians must judge the explicitly sinful behavior of a professing Christian.

Jesus said a “tree is known by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When do the hidden sinful purposes of the heart reveal themselves? In a person’s explicitly sinful behavior. That’s why Paul didn’t even have to be present to pass judgment on a man who engaged in sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 5:3). And he explicitly instructed the Corinthian Christians to pass judgment on him too (1 Corinthians 5:12–13).

Be Slow to Judge
When blatant sin is confirmed, Christians must lovingly judge Christians. But in most situations, we must be very slow to judge, exercising great care and restraint. Our sinful flesh has a hair-trigger to judge others. We must have a healthy suspicion of our own pride, and keep Jesus’s words ringing in our ears: “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matthew 7:1).

Jon Bloom (@Bloom_Jon) serves as author, board chair, and co-founder of Desiring God. He is author of three books, Not by Sight, Things Not Seen, and Don’t Follow Your Heart. He and his wife live in the Twin Cities with their five children

Wow, lots of Christians judging other Christians...

Don’t judge other Christians.
Judge other Christians.
Is Paul contradicting himself? No. Paul is simply instructing us that there are things we must not judge and things we must judge.

AMEN BROTHER.

The catholic church plays on HISTORY largely. They make claims of being the original church, where was the church before Luther showed up, etc. etc. Well if anyone wants to know I can give full lecture on it but in short: When you read "catholic church" in early church father writings it was mostly orthodox right-believing christians, NOT the roman catholic version we have today. But after it merged into POLITICS of the roman empire after Constantine, is when things went downhill, it turned into ROMAN catholicism slow and steady, teh persecuted church of God became the PERSECUTOR of the church of God and POLITICAL LEADER of the empire. So where was the true church before Luther showed up they ask? HIDING FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLICS thats where after the 400s! underground.


I love reading the church fathers, but I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS caution people to not blindly believe what they read from there, I have seen first hand of TWO people who have been led back to Rome BECAUSE of reading those early church writings.

Here is the way the process goes:

Joe is a new believer, goes to a protestant church. Joe is doing a google search on his denomination, notices it started after the 1550s and wonders why since Jesus started the church way back then. Where have all the christians been? Joe finds early church fathers' writings and reads them, notices they are more close to catholicism than protestatism. Joe goes to catholic websites or forums and finds claims of being the ORIGINAL church that Jesus founded. Joe joins the roman church.

^the above is what happened to the TWO i know. It was of NO USE trying to explain to them that when you read in church history of "catholic church" it DOES NOT MEAN the ROMAN catholic church of today. Irenaeus had NO IDEA of the Mary/saint worship that is going on in today's catholicism. He had no idea of one Pope false god on earth or any of that stuff. He had no idea of golden palaces and idolatry and odd rituals.

Also think about this guys: You know the verse that says heresies will come in and they will: "forbid to marry and teach to abstain from meats"? Isnt that EXACTLY text-book catholicism? The priests cant marry, and you cant eat meat what was it on fridays or something? And ironically these same catholics translated that Bible and read that verse while translating and didnt even FLINCH. I checked, they even translated it ACCURATELY and still didnt flinch. Thats what you call deception my friends.

Is it wrong?

The hour is late

Is it wrong?

I had never read that, but it is well known that the Jesuits are the "terrorist" arm of the RCC.

Wow, lots of Christians judging other Christians...

Scripture makes it very clear that there is one supreme Judge of all—the Lord God—and that He alone has the authority to determine right and wrong motives and behaviors.

IMHO: Mother Teresa and numerous Catholic grandmothers around the world are Godly Women who are destined for eternal salvation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa

Judge Not, That You May Judge Well
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/judge-not-that-you-may-judge-well

Christians are not to judge other Christians. And Christians are to judge other Christians. That’s what the Bible teaches. In fact, the apostle Paul says both things in the same letter just a few paragraphs apart.
Don’t judge other Christians.
Judge other Christians.
Is Paul contradicting himself? No. Paul is simply instructing us that there are things we must not judge and things we must judge.

This article goes on to address:
What We Must Not Judge
We must not judge “the hidden . . . purposes of the heart” of other Christians based on their decisions, actions, perspectives, words, or personality that concern us if those things themselves are not explicitly sinful (1 Corinthians 4:5). We must not assume sin if we suspect sin, given how biased our suspicions can be.

What We Must Judge
Christians must judge the explicitly sinful behavior of a professing Christian.

Jesus said a “tree is known by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When do the hidden sinful purposes of the heart reveal themselves? In a person’s explicitly sinful behavior. That’s why Paul didn’t even have to be present to pass judgment on a man who engaged in sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 5:3). And he explicitly instructed the Corinthian Christians to pass judgment on him too (1 Corinthians 5:12–13).

Be Slow to Judge
When blatant sin is confirmed, Christians must lovingly judge Christians. But in most situations, we must be very slow to judge, exercising great care and restraint. Our sinful flesh has a hair-trigger to judge others. We must have a healthy suspicion of our own pride, and keep Jesus’s words ringing in our ears: “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matthew 7:1).

Jon Bloom (@Bloom_Jon) serves as author, board chair, and co-founder of Desiring God. He is author of three books, Not by Sight, Things Not Seen, and Don’t Follow Your Heart. He and his wife live in the Twin Cities with their five children

I certainly agree with your points on the problem with the Catholic Church, for they are the very reasons that I no longer attend. I just don't understand at all why you believe that Catholics are not Christian. Based on my limited understanding of scripture I have come to believe that if one confesses their sins contritely and ask for forgiveness God will indeed forgive their sins. Still, God is God of justice and there is a price to be paid for these sins, a price that Jesus paid by willingly dying on the cross for the remission of these sins. To have salvation there has to be repentance, which is to turn away from sin. The person who has now been treated with mercy and compassion by the forgiveness of these sins invites the Holy Spirit to live in their heart and allows the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide in the life-long repentance process.

I have known many Catholics, few of which believe or practice all that the Church teaches if it is contrary to scripture, most of these Catholics understand about salvation though and, according to scripture, are indeed saved and will have eternal life in the presence of God. My wife is a life-long SDA, she does not believe each and everything about the doctrine and practices but she has a firm understanding of salvation and she has her salvation also.

I have stated many times previously that the churches in all denominations have flaws, some minor, some serious in their doctrine and practices but that does not mean that it should be assumed that those that attend such a church are not a Christian and that they are eventually going to hell. The bible says not to forsake the assembling together as is their custom. For some, their church home is all that they have ever known. How can those that are currently lost know about salvation if everyone that already does and has received it has already left?

I have no intention of defending the Catholic Church or the SDA church but I will defend those that attend such churches who sincerely believe in the promises of God, have received the gracious gift of salvation, and are doing their best to humbly serve the Lord accomplishing the tasks that their Heavenly Father has prepared for them beforehand.

I'm sorry if my X was disappointing or hurtful to you because I know that you have eternal salvation as well and have a firm grasp of scripture based on your lifetime of experiences and observation. The thing is, some of those that attend the churches that you disparaged, and rightly so in most instances, have eternal salvation too and that the Holy Spirit lives inside of them and will continue to do so. Also, as I have also said, more than once, that I am no better than anyone else and through the years that has become painfully obvious to me.

I believe you to be a first-class Christian, setting a fine example that is worth considering and emulating. I suppose, that I am like you in a way in that I am not afraid to defend what I believe to be true, good, and scripturally sound. We both defend the Word of God but at times in a different way based on our own personal lifetime experiences and observations, as we are led by the Holy Spirit, and by doing so, are sometimes met with ridicule, scorn or disappointment. I suppose that goes with the territory but it is well worth the cost of admission so that a few can be saved, if any.

Is it wrong to believe in God? NO!!!
Acknowledging and even conceding their doctrinal faults and limitations... Christians grow where they are planted...

I was excited to share that I received the "Manual for Spiritual Warfare" for Christmas from my Daughter... The first two chapters in the first Part of the manual address: 'Knowing Your Enemy'. and 'Knowing Your Battles'...

Scriptures speak of our ongoing battles with the world, the flesh and the Devil...

Strategically speaking for our common interests in the ongoing 'Spiritual Warfare' it is important to recognize that 'the Enemy of Your Enemy is Your Friend.' Given that the Devil is the common enemy of all Christians to include Catholics...

The common Christian Battles with the World, the Flesh and the Devil are found within the NON-Believers in GOD and the NON-Christian practitioners who proclaim faith in HIM...

Here are some very interesting and telling data from the Pew Research Center on a Religious Landscape Study...
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/belief-in-god/
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We're losing Christian believers in GOD every year...
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The REAL THREAT are those who DO NOT believe in GOD
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The OTHER THREAT to Christianity is the DECLINE in WEEKLY PRACTITIONERS
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Our Christian Spiritual Warfare is not threatened by Catholics who DO BELIEVE IN GOD; Our common threat is that OUR Younger Generation is losing their Belief in GOD and are thus vulnerable to the ways of the World, the Flesh and the Devil...
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Every Catholic I know makes the disctinction between being CATHOLIC and Christian.....and they all to a man believe the false crap peddled by the Catholic Church....everyone needs to get over this misnomer of believing that one is Christian just because they identify themself with Christ!

And if you have followed me you know full well that I have said numerous times that I am not saying that all Catholics are lost, just that the dogma pushed by the Catholic church is false.....

No, I've looked into it and it turns out that the Catholic Church is the truth and original Christianity.
If you read the Early Christian Fathers, they are all Catholic, with none of the traditions of men we see of Luther and those that came after him.

No, I've looked into it and it turns out that the Catholic Church is the truth and original Christianity.
If you read the Early Christian Fathers, they are all Catholic, with none of the traditions of men we see of Luther and those that came after him.

Is it wrong?

Your spelling is atrocious. Maybe we should work on that instead.

In what sense would Catholicism be wrong?
Is Protestantism wrong?

If you are a Christian, you are either one or the other.
If you were raised Catholic, might you still be Catholic? (most likely)
Would that be wrong?

I suppose you are trying to say that Catholicism is wrong because you are Protestant.
Most Catholics can tell you what is wrong with Protestantism.
And I think they make some worthy points.

And I don't recall ever seeing a topic titled: Is Protestantism wrong?

I would hope at least it is a Church that treats the Scriptures as the Word of God.

Use the search function. There's more than one thread on Protestantism here.. lol

The Catholic Church gave us our scriptures.

They were the ones who canonized the Bible for us.
We need to thank them for providing it for us. Thanks.
Sola Scriptura would not be possible without the Bible they gave us.
Should we bite the hand that feeds?

Our discussion here won't change the Catholics there.
What are you planning to do to save them?