Contradiction?

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NayborBear said:
IMHO, both James and Paul, are speaking of "works/efforts" in, and by faith, in ones' coveting earnestly Spiritual gifts. Which are not of the "law." The "law" being Talmud, of the Jews! Which had made the "law" void, by the traditions of man!
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They are both speaking of Christ's work of faith as a three day labor of His love. Faith believing something will occur cannot be separated form the outcome works .Its all one and the same. Faith is the gift previously having none.
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
no contradictions
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all = many (billions is many)

sometimes the word many is being used to represent a large multitude of individuals

we shouldn't get hung up on fruitless semantics


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in context james is speaking about being justified before men while speaking of a powerless faith which is VOID of any true works from the Holy spirit and filled with lip service

galatians is speaking of being justified before God

it's easy to get confused or conflate issues if we cherry pick verses out of context

(not claiming you did it on purpose)


(in james 2 after speaking of error and respect of persons for money and the worthlessness of a lip service without love...vvvvv)

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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ForestGreenCook said:
I can not put my finger on the whereabouts of the scripture right now, but Jesus says "I thank thee Father that thou has hidden these things in a mystery from the wise and prudent and delivered them unto babes". Many called, but few chosen.
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Paul’s message, was delivered to him by Jesus, on the road to Damascus, and unless you believe, he was revealing it unto the wise and prudent (the rest of the world) and that it wasn’t hidden from all, as it says specifically, you can see it was truly a mystery.
ForestGreenCook said:
I can not put my finger on the whereabouts of the scripture right now, but Jesus says "I thank thee Father that thou has hidden these things in a mystery from the wise and prudent and delivered them unto babes". Many called, but few chosen. It is still a mystery to some, else we would all agree.
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“Which in other ages was not made known” The dispensation of grace


Ephesians 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
 
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“Which in other ages was not made known” The dispensation of grace


Ephesians 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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If God looked upon Abel with favor, grace . Would that not be the beginning of the the dispensation of grace? If so when did it end and what's the next age of dispensation ?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
I misaddressed my previous statement. I intended to say "why do you think that his blood was (sufficient) for all, if he did not die for all?
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I did not say Jesus did not die for all. 1 John 2:2 says Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. However, the whole world does not accept the covering of His righteous blood. John 3:16~ For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Only those who believe in Him/His shed righteous blood on our behalf, are saved. That is Christianity 101 :)

 
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Rightlydivided said:
Paul’s message, was delivered to him by Jesus, on the road to Damascus, and unless you believe, he was revealing it unto the wise and prudent (the rest of the world) and that it wasn’t hidden from all, as it says specifically, you can see it was truly a mystery.




“Which in other ages was not made known” The dispensation of grace


Ephesians 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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You quoted me but I seen no point in your post...
🤔


Is it like the others have said?

Do you believe no man or woman will be in hell or the lake of fire?
 
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garee said:
If God looked upon Abel with favor, grace . Would that not be the beginning of the the dispensation of grace? If so when did it end and what's the next age of dispensation ?
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We are still in the dispensation of Grace, and grace will continue for us for eternity, that in the ages to come He might show forth His Grace toward us in Jesus, eph. 2:7, but for the unsaved world, the day of Grace will end at His appearing. At least, that's the way I understand it
 
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mailmandan said:
Amen! The harmony of Romans 4:2-3 and James 2:24 is seen in the differing ways that Paul and James use the term "justified." Paul, when he uses the term, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner as righteous. James, however is using the term to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do.

James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony* (y)
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Good post, brother. Good to see you here. I don't know if you remember me, but this is Glad4Mercy from other sites. God bless
 
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What doctrine do I teach that says you are going to hell? I have spoken on the matter before, I have concerns about you feeling sinful (as you have said) I have concerns about not accepting the fullness of grace that have had me ask questions as to wether I truly believed, but I have never said you are going to hell....you owe me an apology, because disagreeing in scripture does not warrant what you just said....
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Sinless Christians, another false doctrine. Haven't met one yet. I've met people on here who SAY they are sinless but that's easy to say isn't it? I have accepted the true Gospel,not the one you're trying to peddle here. One Gospel,one way to be saved,the same for all. And unless you disagree with the dogma of hyper-dispys,which you clearly do not by your name choice,then you will get no apology from me. They believe they are the only ones that have rightly divided the Word,the very name you have chosen. Very tired of the "us four and no more" crowd. Seen enough of it in my travels. You're spreading a false Gospel and it ought to be known. Thankfully we had someone who knew what you were peddling and called you out.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Sinless Christians, another false doctrine. Haven't met one yet. I've met people on here who SAY they are sinless but that's easy to say isn't it? I have accepted the true Gospel,not the one you're trying to peddle here. One Gospel,one way to be saved,the same for all. And unless you disagree with the dogma of hyper-dispys,which you clearly do not by your name choice,then you will get no apology from me. They believe they are the only ones that have rightly divided the Word,the very name you have chosen. Very tired of the "us four and no more" crowd. Seen enough of it in my travels. You're spreading a false Gospel and it ought to be known. Thankfully we had someone who knew what you were peddling and called you out.
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Here is another blunder by the hyper-dispensationalists. You hear them say the gospels are not for us today, doctrinally, its for the Jews, right?

Well lets see now, Gospel of Luke. Who is it written to? Oy vey! A gentile man called Theophilus? OOPS.

Luke 1:3
With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
 
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Rightlydivided said:
Your stuck in the preaching of the kingdom of god, directly from Jesus, to the lost sheep of Israel. Matthew 10
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Didn't Jesus say that all may come but that all will not come, and He said this AFTER His Ascension in the book of Revelation. And wasn't the apocalypse written to both Jews and Gentiles

Whosoever thirsts, let Him come and drink. Rev 22

But they repented not of their fornications, thefts, etc

And whoever was not found in the book of life was cast into the Lake of Fire Rev 20

So there is a passage that invites all to come and passages that show all will not come

What determines who is who? The ones who are made thirsty come, and the ones who do not thirsty for God don't

THANK YOU GOD FOR REVEALING YOURSELF AND YOUR GRACE TO US AND CAUSING US TO THIRST FOR YOU and YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Help us to be salt that causes others to thirst for you..

Blessings
 
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Rightlydivided said:
Again wrong....your not even in the right time period....Paul’s mystery was not revealed until after Christ’s earthly ministry, and it was to the gentiles, with the fullness of grace
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That's not quite what Paul said, he also preached to the Jew.

In regards to the mystery that was hidden it was full gentile equality with Israel as fellow heirs:

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Dispensationalists of all stripes misuse this "mystery" of Paul to claim there is a distinction between Israel and the church to establish a yet to be future literal and physical 1000 year reign.

Da horror, da horror.
 
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Macabeus said:
Good post, brother. Good to see you here. I don't know if you remember me, but this is Glad4Mercy from other sites. God bless
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I remember you brother! It’s good to hear from you! :)
 
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Magenta said:
I did not say Jesus did not die for all. 1 John 2:2 says Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. However, the whole world does not accept the covering of His righteous blood. John 3:16~ For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Only those who believe in Him/His shed righteous blood on our behalf, are saved. That is Christianity 101 :)
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Believing is not the cause of our eternal salvation, but the product of our salvation. 1 Cor 2:14 says that the natural man (void of the indwelling Spirit) cannot discern the things of the Spirit, until he is born again of the Holy Spirit (Eph 2:5). The Holy Spirit reveals unto us the things of the Spirit, but not until he abides within us. God saw by his foreknowledge that no one would seek (believe) him, no, not one (Psalms 53:2-3). Only his sheep (children) hear his voice and he calls them by name.
 
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Rightlydivided said:
Paul’s message, was delivered to him by Jesus, on the road to Damascus, and unless you believe, he was revealing it unto the wise and prudent (the rest of the world) and that it wasn’t hidden from all, as it says specifically, you can see it was truly a mystery.




“Which in other ages was not made known” The dispensation of grace


Ephesians 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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Verse 5 says it was revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets. That seems to be a select few.
 
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Macabeus said:
We are still in the dispensation of Grace, and grace will continue for us for eternity, that in the ages to come He might show forth His Grace toward us in Jesus, eph. 2:7, but for the unsaved world, the day of Grace will end at His appearing. At least, that's the way I understand it
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Yes.....Far out , groovy. (y)
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Verse 5 says it was revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets. That seems to be a select few.
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Yes, revealed unto Paul first, and preached unto the gentile first....

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
 
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