Not By Works

A scholar is not what characterizes a true believer.

i've never understood this thing where someone has encountered the LIVING GOD and has the Holy Spirit of God in them, yet they still decide to just "stop believing" one morning.

How is that possible? I just cant see it being a possibility for a born again believer.

Well, I guess this attitude about ends our discussion.
Too bad.

Just this:

What did Jesus tell the Rich Young Man?
Did He tell him not to worry -- all the rich young man had to do was just believe on Jesus?
Or did He tell him to follow every commandment...
AND THEN
made it even more difficult when Jesus told him to go and sell everything???
Mathew 19:16-30

What did Jesus tell the adulterous woman?
That all she had to do was to believe on Jesus?
Or did He tell her to go and sin no more?
John 7:43.......

On the surface, as you say, it might seem that Jesus does NOT tell them to just believe in HIM,
but He's actually telling them to obey God and HIMSELF.

But perhaps you can find a way around this surface belief?.....

Oh don’t be so sensitive. In regards to the rich young man in Matthew 19, see post #237 - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ways-saved-chosen-elect-of-god.147501/page-12

Oh don’t be so sensitive. In regards to the rich young man in Matthew 19, see post #237 - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ways-saved-chosen-elect-of-god.147501/page-12

Oh don’t be so sensitive. In regards to the rich young man in Matthew 19, see post #237 - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ways-saved-chosen-elect-of-god.147501/page-12

Ephesians 4 is where Paul lays out what a believer should strive to "do". In the beginning he says we all should walk worthy of the Lord. The whole chapter describes ones walk but he also says that grace is given in proportion to us by Jesus. Not all of us will have the same giftings but we all can gather as one in Him and be in peace.

No where does he speak of a law for his teaching is based on the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Eternal life. Being placed in the body and our goal is to be brought to being One with the Godhead.

How can a body walk on earth unless unless they are in unity?

Works will separate. Works are based on laws. But grace is of Holy Spirit.

amen


i could not un-believe even if i tried my hardest....

i know in my heart who my Father is

i have heard His Word
i believe it

i have seen His works in me

there is nothing that can separate me from Him


i can't wake up and choose to believe fire is cold
or ice is hot
or that i have the power to teleport
or 2+2=3,578.12

but none of these sound as crazy as turning from the truth which i know


"we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, but of them that believe to the saving of the soul"

"they went out from us, but they were not of us for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us, but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us"

Yup. Its like I jokingly said in one thread about "how can i lose my salvatioN" i said: "I think I lost my salvation at the store, has anyone seen it?"

Its just so ridicilous to think that an ALPOWERFUL and ALMIGHTY God moves in to your life, yet you just forget that He exists one fateful morning.

I see the opposite happen, USUALLY people who encounter God get BETTER AND BETTER and more and MORE into Godly activities and sanctification.

This caught my attention...
It was your first post to come up, I'll also check the one on the RYM...

MMD said:

The NASB reads - Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. (Hebrews 12:14). Without justification, there is no sanctification. Our ongoing sanctification has no bearing on our justification. That is, even if we don't reach entire sanctification/sinless perfection in this lifetime (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ.

How many people who are justified will end up being glorified? Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. ALL of them.

Regarding the green highlight above...
This is a mistake that's made which causes one to come to false conclusions.

We are to pursue sanctification. Good.
Without this pursuit, no one will see the Lord. Good.
Without J there is no S. Good
Even if we don't reach entire sanctification (which we won't) we are still justified in Christ. Good.

BUT
Our ongoing S has no bearing on our J ???

Reason this out....
Without J there is no S.
and,,,without S there is no J !

If we don't continue on the road toward S, HOW could we possibly remain J ??

All Paul did was to exhort us to behave and be nice and do certain things and not do certain things.
Surely, if it were not so important, he wouldn't have spent so much time trying to teach us.

IF we stop believing in the gospel and stop pursuing our S,,,we also lose our J.

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

I’ll get back with you on this post later. It’s hard for me to deliver mail and post on Christian Chat at the same time.

Faith without works is dead
means

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

If you think you have faith, but do not have works...your faith is DEAD.

Plain and simple.


dead
/dɛd/
adjective

1. 1.
   no longer alive.
   "a dead body"
   synonyms:deceased, expired, departed, gone, no more, passed on, passed away; More
   
   2.
   complete; absolute.
   "we sat in dead silence"
   synonyms:complete, absolute, total, entire, outright, utter, downright, out-and-out, thorough, unqualified, unmitigated
   "there was dead silence in the room"

I don't disagree.
Jesus came to change us from the inside out.
The Pharisees, for example, were all show. But their inside was rotten.
Jesus wanted us to be whole on the inside and then it would also show on the outside but it would be honest.

About the Law,,,yes, It's not God's desire that we follow the law and be "unborn" on the inside.
However, Jesus did say that He came not to abolish the Law.

Maybe we need both?
Maybe the law is easy to follow because of our love for Jesus?
Maybe this is the difference between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant?

Hey bud, rom 4 is talking about before salvation or the reason we are saved.

Someone who has true faith is a new creation, i am not saying that we need to see them to prove his faith was real, but they will have works..weather we can see them or not

I think it corresponds to 1 Corinthians 3:15: "If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."

I think that is a body of works.

A new creation which does no work unless they die right after they were saved, i would question the validity of their faith.

Yup. Its like I jokingly said in one thread about "how can i lose my salvatioN" i said: "I think I lost my salvation at the store, has anyone seen it?"

Its just so ridicilous to think that an ALPOWERFUL and ALMIGHTY God moves in to your life, yet you just forget that He exists one fateful morning.

I see the opposite happen, USUALLY people who encounter God get BETTER AND BETTER and more and MORE into Godly activities and sanctification.