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The atheists ignore the science behind the laws of God. For example premarital sex. Looking at women a large survey of women found that sex outside of marriage had a relationship between it and divorce. There was found a linear graph correlating number of sexual partners and divorce rate. This included even the person she married if he was the only one. Any premarital sex increased the divorce rate. The more partners the more likely a divorce.
Seems like God had it right. Only when married.
Seems like God had it right. Only when married.
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I'm saying the change dosn't come instantly or overnight and some times it a learned response and with enough practice like alcoholism it becomes an involuntary response that need practice to resist. If every day after work a person sits down watches the news and get's drunk. The learned response to watching the news becomes getting drunk. It's called a trigger. It takes time and practice to overcome.
Pop Psychology does them no favor because most psychologists are agnostic and cosign political correctness and tell their clients they are OK and Christian morals are old fashioned. How can we help these people without patience and love?
Pop Psychology does them no favor because most psychologists are agnostic and cosign political correctness and tell their clients they are OK and Christian morals are old fashioned. How can we help these people without patience and love?
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OP are you ministering to gay or gender confused people.
Do you have any insight as to why they choose to sin.
I had a gay workmate and his background was that his parents fornicated really young and gave him up for adoption, he became a ward of state. Some of his foster parents were christians.
But its not true that all are children of fornication or adultery...but there is a higher prevalence that ive seen just by asking about their backgrounds.
One of the writers in my christian writing group has a daughter who is in a lesbian relationship she was raised christian but...am not sure if her parents became christians before or after she was born.
Many others just dont know their own parents if you probe a bit their dads are absent or they were exposed to moleststion from a young age.
Do you have any insight as to why they choose to sin.
I had a gay workmate and his background was that his parents fornicated really young and gave him up for adoption, he became a ward of state. Some of his foster parents were christians.
But its not true that all are children of fornication or adultery...but there is a higher prevalence that ive seen just by asking about their backgrounds.
One of the writers in my christian writing group has a daughter who is in a lesbian relationship she was raised christian but...am not sure if her parents became christians before or after she was born.
Many others just dont know their own parents if you probe a bit their dads are absent or they were exposed to moleststion from a young age.
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Eveyone NOT born again has no choice when it comes to sin.
The born again BELIEVER has been given the power to reject sin and thus has a choice.
So our job is to give the Gospel UNTO Salvation, give our testimony how the Lord has given us a NEW heart, with a desire to love and please Him, and pray for them.
Once they are born again, that's a different story relative to lovingly point out sin.
The born again BELIEVER has been given the power to reject sin and thus has a choice.
So our job is to give the Gospel UNTO Salvation, give our testimony how the Lord has given us a NEW heart, with a desire to love and please Him, and pray for them.
Once they are born again, that's a different story relative to lovingly point out sin.
Interesting but.. would you say Penn that adam and eve had no choice but to sin in the garden of eden.
I mean they were warned, plus they had all the other trees to eat from they just chose the wrong one.
The other factor is the serpent in the garden leading them into temptation, and I suppose their inability to resist it.
Would the situation with gay people mean the only option they ever had was from the forbidden tree?
I mean they were warned, plus they had all the other trees to eat from they just chose the wrong one.
The other factor is the serpent in the garden leading them into temptation, and I suppose their inability to resist it.
Would the situation with gay people mean the only option they ever had was from the forbidden tree?
People always have a choice. As Paul said about himself he had the law of sin in him and too often it won. We all fight this battle in us.
Romans 7 NIV
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 7 NIV
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
I am retired for now but Yes. My specialty was substance abuse and addiction with a minor in psychology. I prefer to work with persons who will admit to having 'Co-occurring Disorders' Such as depression, bi-polar disorder, pain management, addiction etc... All at the same time.
Some are Bisexual opportunists just looking for easy partners. Some were abused or neglected, some were raped as children. Others are 'A' moral and don't care about right and wrong. And most don't know why themselves.
When I met them they were already broken, depressed, sick or had a malignant form of Antisocial personality disorder. I got fired for suggesting that consumers that are HIV positive but continue having sex with multiple partners are a menace to society and should be locked up. 'I' was labeled 'Homophobic.'
Some are Bisexual opportunists just looking for easy partners. Some were abused or neglected, some were raped as children. Others are 'A' moral and don't care about right and wrong. And most don't know why themselves.
When I met them they were already broken, depressed, sick or had a malignant form of Antisocial personality disorder. I got fired for suggesting that consumers that are HIV positive but continue having sex with multiple partners are a menace to society and should be locked up. 'I' was labeled 'Homophobic.'
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More of the point I'm getting at is that homosexuality is a choice. They are not born homosexual, they are not homosexual because they have a mental illness. It is a choice. As far as unbelievers the Holy Spirit works in hearts and they either accept or reject Him. There is a choice being made.
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@PennEd
A) I was not talking about Christians who want to be sinners. I was talking about sinners that would like to become better and or become Christians.
B) Speaking only about myself now as a former drunkard, dope fiend and womanizer it took me years to resist my sinful nature after I asked the Lord into my life, it took effort and practice. I had much more practice at sin. I was not instantly delivered or healed. I had to learn a new discipline and resistance to avoid situations that my flesh responded to. And my heart wanted me to change but my flesh wanted what was pleasing to my flesh till my desire to please the Lord became greater than my desire to please myself.
C) I also have a mental illness or two. Attachment and Major Depressive Disorder, both chronic. Sex and drugs made me feel better, I had more practice, and I never sought the kind of help I needed because I thought I was OK and every else was messed up.
My intellect and my emotions were disconnected from each other so my feelings didn't make any sense to me. As a boy I learned not to cry after a beating and thought that a boy or a man being in touch their feelings made them a fag. I had no desire to be that way so I can only imagine how some one who leans that way feels.
D) My biological mother was a homeless teenage addict who left me in a hospital and never came back. My step mother was RCC and my step father was agnostic. I was born in 54 and born again in 77, in fact on the eve of Pentecost. I had what I can only call a Spiritual experience and became convinced that Jesus loves me. I later learned that "Willingness, honesty and open mindedness are the essentials of recovery. (AA 4th ed. pg. 568) and in January 86 I went to Montana and met my biological mother, settled with her and bear no ill feelings that I know of. That was the crucial step besides receiving the Lord that changed my life. I had to unburden my heart from the grudge I had against her and realize that she was sick too. I've never seen or spoken to her again but I understand she got angry and moved away soon after we spoke.
Don't be angry because I feel sorry for people that go through tribulations we can't fathom. I'd rather over look their sinful nature and try to help them to overcome than to act like I'm any better. I'm just different. I was raised to love church and rules not Jesus. Now I love Jesus.
A) I was not talking about Christians who want to be sinners. I was talking about sinners that would like to become better and or become Christians.
B) Speaking only about myself now as a former drunkard, dope fiend and womanizer it took me years to resist my sinful nature after I asked the Lord into my life, it took effort and practice. I had much more practice at sin. I was not instantly delivered or healed. I had to learn a new discipline and resistance to avoid situations that my flesh responded to. And my heart wanted me to change but my flesh wanted what was pleasing to my flesh till my desire to please the Lord became greater than my desire to please myself.
C) I also have a mental illness or two. Attachment and Major Depressive Disorder, both chronic. Sex and drugs made me feel better, I had more practice, and I never sought the kind of help I needed because I thought I was OK and every else was messed up.
My intellect and my emotions were disconnected from each other so my feelings didn't make any sense to me. As a boy I learned not to cry after a beating and thought that a boy or a man being in touch their feelings made them a fag. I had no desire to be that way so I can only imagine how some one who leans that way feels.
D) My biological mother was a homeless teenage addict who left me in a hospital and never came back. My step mother was RCC and my step father was agnostic. I was born in 54 and born again in 77, in fact on the eve of Pentecost. I had what I can only call a Spiritual experience and became convinced that Jesus loves me. I later learned that "Willingness, honesty and open mindedness are the essentials of recovery. (AA 4th ed. pg. 568) and in January 86 I went to Montana and met my biological mother, settled with her and bear no ill feelings that I know of. That was the crucial step besides receiving the Lord that changed my life. I had to unburden my heart from the grudge I had against her and realize that she was sick too. I've never seen or spoken to her again but I understand she got angry and moved away soon after we spoke.
Don't be angry because I feel sorry for people that go through tribulations we can't fathom. I'd rather over look their sinful nature and try to help them to overcome than to act like I'm any better. I'm just different. I was raised to love church and rules not Jesus. Now I love Jesus.
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Part of it is because homosexuality, like beastiality, is natrually repulsive. God did call it an abimination so that means it is repugnant.
Two fornicators could marry and live right. So that's different. Adultery and fornication are both death penalty crimes in the OT, but regular fornication was not if there was no betrothal involved and if a girl did not allow herself to be married under the false pretense of being a virgin.
We also do not see many advocates even for regular fornication promoting it in thechurches. I know of no movement demanding society accept beastiality or twisting scripture to teach that it is acceptable.
Some preachers may be too extreme on this issue not showing compassion or seeking o win homosexuals to salvation, but there are obvious reasons why it gets special attention considering the situation.
Two fornicators could marry and live right. So that's different. Adultery and fornication are both death penalty crimes in the OT, but regular fornication was not if there was no betrothal involved and if a girl did not allow herself to be married under the false pretense of being a virgin.
We also do not see many advocates even for regular fornication promoting it in thechurches. I know of no movement demanding society accept beastiality or twisting scripture to teach that it is acceptable.
Some preachers may be too extreme on this issue not showing compassion or seeking o win homosexuals to salvation, but there are obvious reasons why it gets special attention considering the situation.
K
I respect your story and I'm glad you came to know the Lord. But your last statement seems rather judgmental. Where did I state I was better than anyone else? There is a difference between bashing and preaching on sin. A quick story...
I use to travel in ministry with my family. One morning we were singing and sharing and my father began to preach on homosexuality. It seemed out of the blue but he brought a strong message and said it was sin and wrong. At the alter call a young man was saved. After the service he said that he had not known that homosexuality was wrong. He came to know the Lord when he heard the truth preached.
My point is sharing the truth of the Word is never the wrong approach. You don't need to overlook sin. People need to hear the truth. Jesus told people the truth.
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I don't recall saying you and I can't see anything about you. I said I, a lot. Dou you think the people I was speaking about are afraid of going to hell? Really? If they are not saved they most likely don't believe in hell. Why would someone who dosn't believe in hell? It's illogical. To them. They must learn about the love of God first and want it. I think before they can develop a fear or respect for God They must learn about him and grow to love and want to please him. Condemnation will scare them away faster than hell and I think it's unnecessary. With the exception of those with antisocial personalities like psycho & sociopaths, I think most of them are already full of natural guilt and condemnation. The blood of the lamb can wash away the sins of the flesh. Grace comes first. Jesus died for us before we believed, we believed before we obeyed. It's the same with all.
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