Not By Works

I made no mention of your personal life. I simply pointed out the difference between your view and mine.

You still believe salvation can be lost right?

You pointed out WHY I obey God.
You don't KNOW why I obey God...
You can only now what I say on these threads...and I don't speak about myself personally.

You have stated over and over again because He "commands" it.

It's all over this thread. The deception is very obvious

Paul was worried that some of them may be deceived just like eve was deceived.

...But I AM AFRAID that just as Eve was DECEIVED by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be LED ASTRAY from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)

...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

Thank you, you obviously have more patience than me at this moment to find and post them!!

Wrong again.
You obey God from compulsion, for fear you will loose salvation.
If an action is for gain, then it is not free and it is not of love!
You cannot have it both ways.

GodsGrace101 said:

Could you please post some scripture that says we are to fall at Jesus feet instead of being transformed into His likeness?



Matthew 2:11 (KJV)
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped Him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

Job 1:20 (ASV)
20 Then Job arose, and rent his robe, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped;


2 Chronicles 29:27-29 (NJB)
27 Hezekiah ordered the burnt offering to be presented on the altar. And as the burnt offering began, the hymns of Yahweh began too, and the trumpets sounded, to the accompaniment of the instruments of David king of Israel,
28 while the whole congregation worshipped, the singers singing and the trumpeters sounding the trumpets, continuously until the burnt offering was over.
29 When the burnt offering was finished, the king and all those present with him fell to their knees and worshipped.

Mark 5:33-34 (NIV)
33 Then the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell at his feet and, trembling with fear, told him the whole truth.
34 He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering."

Mark 5:5-8 (KJV)
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

Revelation 5:13-14 (ASV)
13 And every created thing which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things are in them, heard I saying, Unto him that sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be the blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, for ever and ever.
14 And the four living creatures said, Amen. And the elders fell down and worshipped.

Revelation 7:11 (ASV)
11 And all the angels were standing round about the throne, and about the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 11:16 (ASV)
16 And the four and twenty elders, who sit before God on their thrones, fell upon their faces and worshipped God,

Revelation 19:4 (ASV)
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped God that sitteth on the throne, saying, Amen; Hallelujah.

Judith 6:18-19 (NJB)
18 At this the people fell to the ground and worshipped God.
19 ‘Lord God of heaven,' they cried, ‘take notice of their arrogance and have pity on the humiliation of our race. Look kindly today on those who are consecrated to you.'


So now you have decided it is beneath your dignity or you are too proud, to fall down and worship GOD.


AMAZING.

Yes. God DOES command obedience.
From the days of Adam and Eve.

So is one saved because he obeys God....
Or does he obey God because he is saved?

Oh I think WE'RE taking heed to deceptions all right!

Fran, you could not obey the authority of "Christianchat.com", when you were banned, so that you are not qualified to tell anyone about the bible let alone talk to us about "obedience to God." -- right?

God says we are not to fear or be dismayed , fear is not healthy , it leads us to a petrified sate...
We must put our trust in the LORD , fear is from the evil one...xox...

when you get finished lecturing on command keeping, maybe you could try to pull up some honesty and say that John, in the same letter you quote verbatim , said the commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another.

so, to believe and love is to keep the commands. if you care about what John said. all of it, not just your cherry picked talking points.

Nice try. But being here, conversing with people, discussing the Bible, is the OPPOSITE of keeping away. The post was directed specifically at the originator of this thread.

So not only has FollowHisSteps, and anyone else accusing him and others of being these people;
"I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. KEEP AWAY FROM THEM.
For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."
Rom 16:17-18

But he, and perhaps you, not only refuse to KEEP AWAY FROM THEM, but actually seek them out to cause division and strife. So WHO really does that verse apply to?

Oh I think WE'RE taking heed to deceptions all right!

Oh I think WE'RE taking heed to deceptions all right!

Keep thinking you keep his commandments.....that in and of itself breaks the one about lying........are you more spiritual than Paul.....nope.....read about his life.......all you are....a Johnny come lately Pharisee with a modern religious twist!!

Fran, you could not obey the authority of "Christianchat.com", when you were banned, so that you are not qualified to tell anyone about the bible let alone talk to us about "obedience to God." -- right?

Keep thinking you keep his commandments.....that in and of itself breaks the one about lying........are you more spiritual than Paul.....nope.....read about his life.......all you are....a Johnny come lately Pharisee with a modern religious twist!!

Yes indeed, tt is very interesting, how sometimes they put the deception right out in the open, but when the deception is exposed and derided they retreat to a supposed more agreeable ground, all the while trying to straddle two opposing doctrines!

It is quite a little game, very disturbing.....and so painfully obvious!!

Yes indeed, tt is very interesting, how sometimes they put the deception right out in the open, but when the deception is exposed and derided they retreat to a supposed more agreeable ground, all the while trying to straddle two opposing doctrines!

It is quite a little game, very disturbing.....and so painfully obvious!!