Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

The only problem I see with this and Soandso I think brought this up is the zealots were Jews - they'd hardly be setting up some idol image.

lol, None so far if you notice. But then that's why I ponder so much about why the likly candidates are ruled out in the first place...

If you was astute and studied you would know it did not burn down stone walls, it did melt the gold and silver which ran down into the stones and the ROMANS REMOVED EVERY STONE TO GET THE GOLD AND SILVER!!!

As far as "rich and poor, free and slave, small and great" I would think there would be a mix of all of those in the city during the siege. In Rev 13 the beast is only allowed to cause "all" to receive the mark who don't resist. The ones who resist are not forced to receive the mark but our killed.

Have you read Ezekiel 8 & 9? Those chapters led to the destruction of the first temple. I think something similar took place with the destruction of the second temple most likely. I think John is drawing some of his imagery for Rev 13 from Ezekiel 8 & 9.

I think the only people who were capable of setting up the "abomination of desolation" were the Jews themselves. I could definitely see the zealots setting up an image. Read Ezekiel 8.

Just my thoughts on the matter. What say ye?

I don't have any likely candidates and I can't remember if you brought any up in the past?

It's possible the zealots reverted back to idolatry - highly speculative though.

I've mentioned back in the past that it may have been the Romans that are the intended parties that John is writing about. But that didn't go over well.

You have a fitting name if you believe the new heavens and new earth came in the 1st century A.D.......Jehovah's False Witnesses peddle that crap.....is that what you are?

I like the guy that said the new heavens and new earth came in the 1st century A.D.....his name is delirious....how fitting.....is that not the same crap Jehovah's Witnesses peddle......

The way I look at it is the zealots were awful, awful people. Most likely related to dcontroversal (lol couldn't resist because of his rude remarks he just posted ) and so I could see them easily being idolaters.

They went around murdering everyone in the city who wanted peace with Rome.

I've heard about the Roman eagles as a possiblity for the Abomination of Desolation. Not sure if you are referring to that. I think it could have only been the Jews who set up the AoD. I base that off Ezekiel 8 and the destruction of the first temple. I think history was repeating itself in that sense.

Your drivel does not bother me....and you are correct in the fact that I do have zeal.....and will call a spade a spade when I see a spade.....you really must not be honest....you peddle that the new earth came in the 1st century A.D. right....yet this present earth is waxing old, full of disease, suffering, sickness, tears, death, famine, misery, war, destruction and all the other things that suck.....you should wake up to the truth that the New Earth contains NONE OF THOSE THINGS AND COULD NOT HAVE CAME IN THE 1ST CENTURY A.D.......SERIOUS!

I don't think you understand Bible prophecy. It's my bed time. God bless you.

You are shure that you understand it?
If this all has already came. In what Part of History we are Now?

I'll just leave this quote by William Kelly (from his Commentary on 2 Peter 3), here (coz quite frankly I am tired of typing ):

[quoting]

"We have seen that the Holy Spirit lets us know one special trait of philosophic unbelief at the end of the days of nominal Christianity. Mockers with mocking, proceeding according to their own lusts' and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? for from the day that the fathers fell asleep all things continue thus from creation's beginning."

"It is not true. "For this escapeth their notice willingly, that by the word of God heavens were of old, and an earth having its subsistence out of water and through water; by which [waters] the then world being overflowed with water perished" (vers. 5, 6). It is barefaced materialism which the light of Christ ought to have dispelled. Rather did the proclamation of grace encourage these unbelieving speculators to deny that judgment is imminent for living man upon the earth. The Jews were much less incredulous as to it than the nations, and themselves secured as being the seed of Abraham. Blind to their own sins, their prejudices conspired to read clearly what the Prophets wrote on the downfall of the world in general. Yet the Lord had already reversed all thought of immunity for the ungodly, whether Jew or Gentile. He had declared the universality of the judgment which He Himself would indict on the quick. For it is quite distinct from the judgment which awaits all the unbelieving dead whom He will raise for the purpose at the end of His world-kingdom. But the imminence of the judgment on the quick, Christendom has ever been too ready to put off, if not disbelieve, whatever the common creeds may say: what we wish not we readily forget.

"The Lord had done more. In His great prophetic discourse on the Mount of Olives He had compared this very judgment of the quick to the days of the deluge.

" "Watch therefore; for ye know not on what day your Lord doth come." It may be urged that He has the judgment of the Jews particularly before Him in these words, which manifestly apply not to the Roman siege of Jerusalem any more than to the judgment of the wicked in Rev. 19. But in Luke 17:29, and following verses, He refers to the days of Lot also, and thus gives it a bearing on the Gentiles too. Again in Luke 21:25-35 He directly refers to the Gentiles also. For which reason He speaks not only of "the fig-tree" but of "all the trees," and declares that "as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth." "

--William Kelly, Commentary on 2 Peter 3

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]

Yeah, the new heavens and new earth were created in the first century yet the earth continues to deteriorate. No mention either of Jesus setting up His 1000 year reign or Satan being bound for a 1000 years until he could deceive the nations once again. Don't see a New Jerusalem either. That would be kind of a hard thing to miss. No mention of the Two Witnesses either who were to prophesy for 3 1/2 years until they were killed only to be raised from the dead after 3 days. No mention either of the battle of Armageddon. That battle is going to have some serious boots on the ground. The Abomination of Desolation is notably absent either. Delirious indeed, and perhaps delusional as well.

^ EDIT: just to tack onto my post above, a brief quote from my Post #529, Page 27:

"[adding the passages I've pointed out in the past: 1Jn4:2 "having come [perfect participle] in flesh" is distinct from 2Jn1:7's "who confess not Jesus Christ coming [present participle] in flesh"]" [end of that quoted post]

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"…those not confessing Jesus Christ coming [present participle] in flesh."

Revelation 22:10 NKJV
[10] And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.

Yes 'the time is at hand' referring to the imminency of His coming. The Book was not to be sealed so all could be ready by taking heed. It fits with...

Revelation 1:3 NKJV
[3] Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Yes, they do indeed stem from the same root.

We live in the new heavens and earth. Christ's kingdom. The new heavens and earth is not a literal place. Many theologians in the past have correctly recognized this like John Owen, John Lightfoot, Sir Isaac Newton and Charles Spurgeon to name a few.

Read Isaiah 65: 1-16 carefully. What do you see it describing there? It is describing old covenant Israel who was unfaithful to God. They constantly rebelled and grieved him. It also talks about God calling His servants by a new name (the Gentiles).

Now pay attention to verses 17 & 18. The new heavens and new earth are a New Jerusalem whose people are a joy to God. Not a literal place. It's a kingdom. Christ's kingdom. Made up of people who are filled with His spirit. Christians.

Notice also in Rev 21 that the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven is the church. The foundations of the city have the names of the 12 apostles which are the men that Christ began His church with. How do you write the names of people on the foundation of a city? This is symbolism. It is not a literal place but a kingdom.