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YourTruthGod

YourTruthGod

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cv5 said:
You may be somewhat mistaken.
The sequence is invariable and proceeds as follows:
1) The True God reveals Himself to the person
2) commands are issued by this now revealed True God
3) the person professes faith to the Giver of the commandment (if foreordained)
4) the person obeys due to the manifestation of the gift of faith
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All are given a measure of faith.
We have to believe and obey.
 
YourTruthGod

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eternally-gratefull said:
GET OFF THE LAW.

God gave commands to SHOW PEOPLE WHO SINFUL THEY WERE The purpose of the law was to lead people to christ.

Why can you not comprehend this biblical fact?

The law NEVER SAVED ANYONE

And YOU CAN NOT SAVE YOURSELF.
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Paul speaks about the old law and the new law. Why would I not do the same?
 
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For those who cling to "works" salvation, one of the most beautiful and hopeful things I read this morning was that nothing, no one, no powers to be can take us away from God. We are sealed by His HS and forever His whenever we accept His Son Jesus Christ as our Savior.
 
Magenta

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star said:
For those who cling to "works" salvation, one of the most beautiful and hopeful things I read this morning was that nothing, no one, no powers to be can take us away from God. We are sealed by His HS and forever His whenever we accept His Son Jesus Christ as our Savior.
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Thank you for the reminder :)
 
VCO

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YourTruthGod said:
All are given a measure of faith.
We have to believe and obey.
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You are dead WRONG. OBEDIENCE is PART OF OUR AGAPE LOVE, the SAME LOVE that the Father had the Holy Spirit Pour into our HEARTS (HUMAN SPIRIT), Rom. 5:5. OBEDIENCE for the WRONG REASON, is just FILTHY RAGS TO GOD. If it is not done out of a sense of PURE AGAPE LOVE FOR GOD, it is totally unacceptable.
 
Hevosmies

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VCO said:
You are dead WRONG. OBEDIENCE is PART OF OUR AGAPE LOVE, the SAME LOVE that the Father had the Holy Spirit Pour into our HEARTS (HUMAN SPIRIT), Rom. 5:5. OBEDIENCE for the WRONG REASON, is just FILTHY RAGS TO GOD. If it is not done out of a sense of PURE AGAPE LOVE FOR GOD, it is totally unacceptable.
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Thats the two edged sword. Its verses like Romans 5:5 that make me question my STATE. Self-examination....
 
Magenta

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VCO said:
Well, I am guilt of that too, I had my 70th Birthday on Feb. 25.
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Happy belated birthday greetings, and wishes for an awesome year! :)

Your birthday is very close to mine ;):D

Though I am not a septuagenarian :unsure::whistle::devilish::geek::giggle:

Yet :cool: By the Grace of God, I will get there :love::love::love:
 
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YourTruthGod said:
I live in Jesus and he in me.
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That is NOT what he asked you, he was asking what type of CHURCH do you go to. Like Baptist, Lutheran, Conservative Evangelical, etc.
I attended a Conservative Evengelical Church, that happens to be non-denominational. I think anyone that REFUSES to answer that question, is being TOTALLY DISHONEST, and may be guilty of this sin:

Luke 9:26 (HCSB)
26 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and that of the Father and the holy angels.
 
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Hevosmies said:
Thats the two edged sword. Its verses like Romans 5:5 that make me question my STATE. Self-examination....
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IT IS SUPPOSED TO CAUSE YOU TO EXAMINE YOURSELF.

Galatians 6:4-5 (NIV)
4 Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else,
5 for each one should carry his own load.

In fact, Self Examination should happen before you Celebrate Communion:

1 Corinthians 11:28-29 (NRSV)
28 Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
29 For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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YourTruthGod said:
God searches minds and hearts.

John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

Acts 1:24 Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen

Revelation 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
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Yes he does

And he choses those who recieve him

Remember, we are given the right to be children of God because we receieve him, Not because we are good people..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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YourTruthGod said:
Are you going to address the scriptures I gave about 'because Abraham obeyed'?

Genesis 22:18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

Genesis 26:4-5 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
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Gen 15: And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Nothing about works there, You added to the word. Shame on you. How many times are you going to do this?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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YourTruthGod said:
God chooses to whom He will give grace and favor.
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Yes he will

And who does he say will get it?

1. Those who recieve (john 1)
2. Those who believe (John 3)
3. Those who drink (john 4)
4. Those who eat the living bread in faith (john 5)

What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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YourTruthGod said:
Jesus didn't do away with his commands.
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No one said he did

Another false accusation. Do you love bearing false witness against people? There are two sins you have been shown.. And you think you deserve eternal life??
 
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