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The heart is a no go area, as well as emotions, or any other difficult area. :eek:

Do you know why emotions are so difficult? Because they are who we are and if we lose
track of that, depression ensues and we get very lost.

It is much, much, safer to not touch this issue and keep hold of our repressed life, because
if we do not, chaos will break loose.

Is this the life Jesus promised us? Locked away and scared of everything within.
That is not the freedom we have in Christ but slavery to our passions and disfunctional history.

I know this is dangerous stuff. Life changing feelings, conflicts, trauma is no joke and not
something you take on unless you know the Lord of creation, the King of Kings and His cross.

Feelings are just that feelings. Signals to tell us about how we feel about where we are and
if there are any problems or its ok. Like all things they can be totally wacko, and also exactly right.
But to lock it all away and think it is deadly and dangerous is to actually die.
 
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mailmandan said:
That is certainly a wrong motive. There are many people who have faith in the fact that the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus "happened." The problem is they are not trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation and are instead trusting in works as the means of their salvation anywhere from "in part" to "for the most part."

Believers obey Jesus BECAUSE they are saved and not in order to remain saved and their motivation is love, not pride. Obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God.
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I agree 100%. I witnessed to a Lutheren who basically said witnessing about ones sinful past was shameful,
because appearing good was what christianity was all about. Their hatred of me was very apparent, but I could
never get a good conversation to take things further.

My point is if you get into labelling people, you end up condemning brothers and sisters in Christ rather than
addressing peoples hearts. One can end up defeating ones own ministry.
 
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How do you witness to a catholic?

There are so many ex-catholics here, what would be your best approach you would have been
open to before you came to Christ?

I wonder about this because sometimes people who come out of a movement become extra
sensitive to issues that those still inside would not understand or be willing to engage with.
 
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He gave me like 48 red faces.....oh well....children will be children....idiotic as well...
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So annoying, they are not reading the posts, nor do they care, just trying to be a nuisance child, new name every day.

Seems to target this thread though:unsure:
 
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VCO said:
I have had MORMON MISSIONARIES TELL ME, "SO WHAT if our Theology Contradicts the Scriptures, the BIBLE IS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS." That is their EXCUSE for Constantly contradicting the BIBLE with their THEOLOGY.

Psalm 19:7-9 (ESV)
7 The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether.

NO CONTRADICTIONS.
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The Bible doesn't contradict that is why those who have been told faith alone need to be set free from the conflict their beliefs have with reasoning and logic.
The Mormon denomination is a church of demons.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Mr. YTG, you seem to have no idea what "repent" means btw

So your divine private revelation missed a key truth.
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See what your teachings on faith alone has done, it has forced you to change the meaning of 'repent'.
We humans have to change our mind about sins. Since that requires an action that is fought against by the faith alone doctrine.
 
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YourTruthGod said:
See what your teachings on faith alone has done, it has forced you to change the meaning of 'repent'.
We humans have to change our mind about sins. Since that requires an action that is fought against by the faith alone doctrine.
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Actually it was the Catholic church, that muddled with the definition.

Get your facts straight.
 
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"One form of blasphemy that 'professed' Christians should resist...the blasphemy they
shall bring upon themselves, should they bring cause of a fellow believer
to stumble, feel inadequate or undeserving, through ones own thoughtless
exercise of their own freedom of thought."
'Praise God'
 

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YourTruthGod said:
The Bible doesn't contradict that is why those who have been told faith alone need to be set free from the conflict their beliefs have with reasoning and logic.
The Mormon denomination is a church of demons.
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"The Mormon denomination is a church of demons" sounds like a dcon statement lol

Not sure demons go to church of any sort.
And I know demons cannot get converted while mormons can come to faith.
So in the Lord I would not want to describe anyone as a demon, because that is
implying something God does not describe humans as except Judas maybe,
and closes the door on salvation, which I can never do, though I may suspect
some have become so lost and confused it appears no one can reach them. :)

Demonising any group is on the road to pitch forks and burn them all ......
and suddenly you find the pitch forks at ones own door ...... poetic justice .....
 
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FollowHisSteps said:
How do you witness to a catholic?

There are so many ex-catholics here, what would be your best approach you would have been
open to before you came to Christ?

I wonder about this because sometimes people who come out of a movement become extra
sensitive to issues that those still inside would not understand or be willing to engage with.
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You have touched on a very important matter. If I was a Catholic now, I would probably fight for the Catholic denomination too.

That goes for any denomination really. All who are convinced their denomination is correct will fight for their beliefs to be right.
The changing point in a person's heart and mind is if they are told of a scripture or scriptures, and they are troubled by the conflict their beliefs have with what is plainly written.
It will have to be a person's desire for God's truth and not man's truth.
It has to be a person who is willing to give up their denomination for God's Truth.
Some people will have to give up family, friends, pride in their church, especially the Catholics with their beautiful church buildings. It is an astonishing thing to have to come to terms with the fact that you have believed wrong and spent all those years believing in falseness. Some people in denominations never really felt close to God and are willing to search more into finding His Truth.
There is also a demonic force that is against a person leaving their false beliefs, and it can frighten the person into staying right where they are.
 
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Yes I have noticed the same, I worry though, this person has an agenda and does not stop.


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lol look at the last few pages with the heretic trolls....(he has many accounts ... devotes a lot of his effort towards cowardly hiding and posting emotes from private accounts....)


notice how no work salvationist gets the negative emotes😂


it is most likely one of the posters here who hates eternal security or the fact God gets the glory for it




(now that it has been mentioned i wouldnt be surprised if he/she will change their approach so check the time the angry face was recieved if it is directed at a works salvationist and see if it is posted after i posted this)
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FollowHisSteps said:
"The Mormon denomination is a church of demons" sounds like a dcon statement lol

Not sure demons go to church of any sort.
And I know demons cannot get converted while mormons can come to faith.
So in the Lord I would not want to describe anyone as a demon, because that is
implying something God does not describe humans as except Judas maybe,
and closes the door on salvation, which I can never do, though I may suspect
some have become so lost and confused it appears no one can reach them. :)
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I am talking about real demons and not the people themselves. However, the demons do also live inside those who are in false denominations.
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Demonising any group is on the road to pitch forks and burn them all ......
and suddenly you find the pitch forks at ones own door ...... poetic justice .....
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If a person wants to please God, they will not physically hurt another person for their beliefs.
 
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YourTruthGod said:
You have touched on a very important matter. If I was a Catholic now, I would probably fight for the Catholic denomination too.

That goes for any denomination really. All who are convinced their denomination is correct will fight for their beliefs to be right.
The changing point in a person's heart and mind is if they are told of a scripture or scriptures, and they are troubled by the conflict their beliefs have with what is plainly written.
It will have to be a person's desire for God's truth and not man's truth.
It has to be a person who is willing to give up their denomination for God's Truth.
Some people will have to give up family, friends, pride in their church, especially the Catholics with their beautiful church buildings. It is an astonishing thing to have to come to terms with the fact that you have believed wrong and spent all those years believing in falseness. Some people in denominations never really felt close to God and are willing to search more into finding His Truth.
There is also a demonic force that is against a person leaving their false beliefs, and it can frighten the person into staying right where they are.
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What spoke to me was the woman caught in adultery. Jesus understood the emotional positions of
everyone and what was at stake. Do we have the right to judge another?
Do we care for the person we judge or just to prove ourselves right?
Understanding it all, and knowing God, Jesus is true freedom.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Yes I have noticed the same, I worry though, this person has an agenda and does not stop.
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lol we should alllll go back to page one

and give red x's and thumbs down to all the posts we disagree with and dislike up until this page

I would bet a wagyu steak this faceless troll would be hit with many dislikes and red xs for his/her false doctrine.....


(just playing... much more fruitful things to do for my Father.... plus if i had a wagyu steak id eat it)
 
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YourTruthGod said:
You have touched on a very important matter. If I was a Catholic now, I would probably fight for the Catholic denomination too.

That goes for any denomination really. All who are convinced their denomination is correct will fight for their beliefs to be right.
The changing point in a person's heart and mind is if they are told of a scripture or scriptures, and they are troubled by the conflict their beliefs have with what is plainly written.
It will have to be a person's desire for God's truth and not man's truth.
It has to be a person who is willing to give up their denomination for God's Truth.
Some people will have to give up family, friends, pride in their church, especially the Catholics with their beautiful church buildings. It is an astonishing thing to have to come to terms with the fact that you have believed wrong and spent all those years believing in falseness. Some people in denominations never really felt close to God and are willing to search more into finding His Truth.
There is also a demonic force that is against a person leaving their false beliefs, and it can frighten the person into staying right where they are.
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You actually have similar beliefs as the Catholic Church so you really have not gone far from them

Anyone who does not believe what scripture plainly teaches in salvation apart from works, by grace alone through faith alone as an

irrevocable, permanent gift, given not earned, has one foot in Catholicism and has adopted a false narrative.
 
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mailmandan said:
What do YOU believe the gospel IS and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel? (Romans 1:16)
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The gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ; it is to be reconciled to God. It is about repentance of sins to Jesus and faith that he has washed you and forgiven you.
 
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YourTruthGod said:
See what your teachings on faith alone has done, it has forced you to change the meaning of 'repent'.
We humans have to change our mind about sins. Since that requires an action that is fought against by the faith alone doctrine.
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I agree with you.
The other faith doctrine that has born so much error is forgiving sins of the future.
You cannot forgive sins that have not happened. And in Christ we commit to not commit evil.
So to say we will fail is a statement of unbelief. We do not know, because in Christ we are new
creations.

Logic often seems to end up denying life in God, which causes either we abandon our logic
or we abandon God. The cross and Jesus dying for our sins is foolishness, not logical, so
unless we take this step of faith, God is always distant and far off, something our hearts
can only dream of lost in a world of sin and death.
 
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Budman said:
Have you given up all of yours? Have you stopped sinning?

Let us all know the minute that happens.
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So you don't believe we are to die to the sins of the world? You don't know the scriptures that say we are to do that?
 
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UnderGrace said:
You actually have similar beliefs as the Catholic Church so you really have not gone far from them
Anyone who does not believe what scripture plainly teaches in salvation apart from works, by grace alone through faith alone as an
irrevocable, permanent gift, given not earned, has one foot in Catholicism and has adopted a false narrative.
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A few hours ago you were prepared to say he was a mormon.
Is there an addiction to labelling and rejecting rather than letting truth speak?

It is so boring to polarise discussions and not take fresh expressions and look at them as they are.
There are many things we are scared of. And our behaviour often declares our biggest fears.
Like the man who says fear is sinful, is the man who is fearful of fear itself so sees it everywhere except
in themselves where it is rejected but not resolved, which is crazy as we all have fears and need them.

So why must YTG be this terrible other?
 
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