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I see countless threads on baptism (rarely accurate imo), osas, rapture, works etc.

Rarely have I seen posts on communion.

Is communion a necessity/requirement? It's origins, purpose/benefits, if any?

I have my own views/opinions on the subject ( I may share). I'm, interested 1st/foremost in perspectives other then my own.
 
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For me communion is living the Life like Jesus, His Blood, and dEating His Body, that is living th by the Word...…...the Bread of life.

As for the ritualistic aspect, at times I do eat my own unleavened Bread with His instruction in heart, mind and soul. My conscience is clear on this., and fault no one for giving msore importance to the ritual than do I.

I do take issue with any who claim transmutation, for we are not taught to eat human flesh. Jesus is the Bread from Heaven bornin the House of Bread.
 
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And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them,
saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
Luke 22:19

and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is
my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
1 Corinthians 11:24

In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new
covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
1 Corinthians 11:25
 
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Ultimately its all about representative glories as shadows that look to the fulfillment..

I would offer that new testament ceremonial law came in light of the renting of the veil. It signaled the time of reformation had come along with the new order of priesthood of all believers from all the nations of the world. after the manner of Melchedik. . .Previously under the order of a visible King. A Pagan design in respect to those who do not desire a unseen God reigning as King of kings and Lord of lords..

The women were separated from the men by a high wall and not allowed to participate in the ceremonies that as shadows pointed to our unseen husband Christ. The light of the gospel made it possible to fulfill the promise of Joel restoring the government to a time when there was no outward representative like the pagan nations of the world.. that must walk by sight (what the eyes see)

The one new ordinance was "two fold" both used to represent the wedding supper in our new incorruptible bodies. The communion (bread and blood of grapes) speaks Christ giving his spirit life in jeopardy of His own as that needed to purchase his bride. And to be used along with it (bread and blood of grapes) The hair uncovered for the man and hair covered for the woman are used as representative glories of the unseen glory of God in anticipation of consummating the wedding union..

Woman are used as a glory in respect to man a image of Christ our husband who used to represent Christ.

For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man 1 Corinthians 11:7

God had not left woman without her own representative glory "her hair" .It must be covered seeing the only glory to seen is in respect to the unseen glory represented by both man and woman .The glory of faith the unseen holy. The hair covering for woman and uncovering for men as a ceremonial law has been traded off as a fashion statement for the time then present. It would be hard to find a assembly today that honors both men and woman in that way.
 
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FlyingDove said:
I see countless threads on baptism (rarely accurate imo), osas, rapture, works etc.

Rarely have I seen posts on communion.
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"Communion" is defined as "the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level."

Just about every post everywhere is about communion...
 
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AxeElf said:
"Communion" is defined as "the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level."

Just about every post everywhere is about communion...
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Thanks, if the question in the OP was: The Lords Supper...

Is the the Lords Supper a necessity/requirement? It's origins, purpose/benefits, if any?

Would your answer have been the same?
 
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FlyingDove said:
Thanks, if the question in the OP was: The Lords Supper...

Is the the Lords Supper a necessity/requirement? It's origins, purpose/benefits, if any?

Would your answer have been the same?
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No.
 
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Thanks again, for your enlightening input.
 
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1 Cor 10:16 (B) is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

More specifically: Is partaking in the communion mentioned in the verse above:

A necessity/requirement for the Body of Christ? If yes, how often?

Does the above mentioned verse have OT origins? If yes, what/where are they?

What purpose/benefits, if any, would partaking have for today's Body of Christ members?
 
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Hello, @FlyingDove. Yes, this is very important teaching from our Lord. You can see from verses below how important this teaching is, and just how difficult this teaching is for many people to accept, that it is quite offensive to many then, and is still today.

Read John ch. 6. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 6&version=NRSV

I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats of this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” He said these things while he was teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum.

When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?” But Jesus, being aware that his disciples were complaining about it, said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But among you there are some who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the first who were the ones that did not believe, and who was the one that would betray him. And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.”

Because of this many of his disciples turned back and no longer went about with him. So Jesus asked the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.” He was speaking of Judas son of Simon Iscariot, for he, though one of the twelve, was going to betray him.

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Also, read these words from the Church fathers for perspective, gives valuable insight > > http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/fathers.htm

Also see my sig. :)
I'm happy to answer questions.

God bless you.
 
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On Nisan 10 a Passover Lamb is chosen (Ex 12). It is inspected for any blemish until Nisan 14. When the actual sacrifice was made (Lev 23:5) The passover meal is eaten the next evening Nisan 15.

Christ triumphal entry begins on Sat (Nisan 10). He is inspected for blemishes via the Pharisees & (Mk 12:17 & 25) And is killed on Nisan 14. Although his disciples prepared the Passover meal. Jesus was dead when the Jews ate it on Nisan 15.

1 Cor 5:7 (C) For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
(NOTE: Christ is our Passover)

Exodus 12:43-48. No foreigners, servants, sojourners or strangers could partake in the in the Passover meal unless they were circumcised. Also see Gen 17:7-14

1 Cor 11:27 Who ever eats this bread, & drinks this cup of the Lord, unworthily, will be guilty of the body & blood of the Lord
(NOTE: I've seen many people/teachers/preachers tie/force sin into this verse. Jesus who gave the ordinance, PAID, for the believers sins. This verse is warning NON-believers. Uncircumcised were forbidden to partake in the OT & NON-believers are not to partake in this NT ordinance)

Ex 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
(NOTE: This day shall be MEMORIAL)

1 Cor 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me
(NOTE: Do this in REMEMBRANCE of me)

Passover & Communion meals are both given as meals of memorial/remembrance.

For Jews, deliverance from slavery & 10th plague, angel of death. For Christians deliverance from sin & death

Like Passover the Last Supper/communion ended with the singing Hallel hymns (Ps 113-118 - Mat 26:30 & Mk 14:26)

Jn 6:53-58 Speaks to the importance of our partaking

As to how often: Acts 20:7 suggest weekly as does Lev 24:9 & 1 Chron 9:32.

This post is MOO! My Opinion Only.
 
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Maynard said:
Hello, @FlyingDove. Yes, this is very important teaching from our Lord. You can see from verses below how important this teaching is, and just how difficult this teaching is for many people to accept, that it is quite offensive to many then, and is still today.

Read John ch. 6. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 6&version=NRSV

I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats of this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” He said these things while he was teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum.

When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?” But Jesus, being aware that his disciples were complaining about it, said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But among you there are some who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the first who were the ones that did not believe, and who was the one that would betray him. And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.”

Because of this many of his disciples turned back and no longer went about with him. So Jesus asked the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.” He was speaking of Judas son of Simon Iscariot, for he, though one of the twelve, was going to betray him.

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Also, read these words from the Church fathers for perspective, gives valuable insight > > http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/fathers.htm

Also see my sig. :)
I'm happy to answer questions.

God bless you.
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In respect to church fathers we are to call no man earth father. One is our Holy Father in heaven

The difficult as in who can accept it was not the kind of difficulty that was hard to interpret by but difficult as saying against them . It offended them they stopped up their ears and they walked away not believing (no faith)

Catholicism would have us to believe that only their fathers could understand as the ones that did walk away..
 
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Maynard said:
Hello, @FlyingDove. Yes, this is very important teaching from our Lord. You can see from verses below how important this teaching is, and just how difficult this teaching is for many people to accept, that it is quite offensive to many then, and is still today.

Read John ch. 6. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 6&version=NRSV

I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats of this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” He said these things while he was teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum.

When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?” But Jesus, being aware that his disciples were complaining about it, said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But among you there are some who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the first who were the ones that did not believe, and who was the one that would betray him. And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.”

Because of this many of his disciples turned back and no longer went about with him. So Jesus asked the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.” He was speaking of Judas son of Simon Iscariot, for he, though one of the twelve, was going to betray him.

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Also, read these words from the Church fathers for perspective, gives valuable insight > > http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/fathers.htm

Also see my sig. :)
I'm happy to answer questions.

God bless you.
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Hey bro

Are you catholic by any chance? I also agree all Christians should partake of the Lord's supper.

But I was just wondering with the avatar you have?
 
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The lords supper..
An important memorial to what Jesus has done for us...and yes important for us christians to celebrate it together.
How often...well in book of Acts they were breaking bread together daily...although Jesus said do this often in remembrance of me.
I dont know if he meant just keep the passover or whether its every single meal give thanks.

Most churches have communion at least once a month, although I've heard some do it weekly or every single time they gather together.

Why is it important...I was thinking lately of psalm 23 how he provides us a table in the presence of mine enemies...Judas was at the last supper and Jesus still ate with him. He was also anointed and his cups run over in that he shared the cup with everyone. Then the psalmist says surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

Its like a homecoming meal. Also in revelation the marriage supper of the lamb is a big meal...if we didnt have communion it would be hard to fellowship with each other, when we sit at the table we are all sharing. God wants to fill us and he wants to sup with us.
 
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FlyingDove said:
I see countless threads on baptism (rarely accurate imo), osas, rapture, works etc.

Rarely have I seen posts on communion.

Is communion a necessity/requirement? It's origins, purpose/benefits, if any?

I have my own views/opinions on the subject ( I may share). I'm, interested 1st/foremost in perspectives other then my own.
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We are told "this is my body, this is my blood". When we take communion we have the symbolic body and blood of Christ, we go though the same thing with Him that Christ did for us. Our sins are paid for through the blood of Christ, they are all gone. We are a different person after communion, completely free of sin and righteous. Now we accept living a righteous life completely free of the sin that bound us before we took communion, we live and think in a different way. ----until next time when we need communion again.
 
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Lanolin said:
The lords supper..
An important memorial to what Jesus has done for us...and yes important for us christians to celebrate it together.
How often...well in book of Acts they were breaking bread together daily...although Jesus said do this often in remembrance of me.
I dont know if he meant just keep the passover or whether its every single meal give thanks.

Most churches have communion at least once a month, although I've heard some do it weekly or every single time they gather together.

Why is it important...I was thinking lately of psalm 23 how he provides us a table in the presence of mine enemies...Judas was at the last supper and Jesus still ate with him. He was also anointed and his cups run over in that he shared the cup with everyone. Then the psalmist says surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

Its like a homecoming meal. Also in revelation the marriage supper of the lamb is a big meal...if we didnt have communion it would be hard to fellowship with each other, when we sit at the table we are all sharing. God wants to fill us and he wants to sup with us.
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Worth the read, thank you.
 
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Lanolin said:
The lords supper..
An important memorial to what Jesus has done for us...and yes important for us christians to celebrate it together.
How often...well in book of Acts they were breaking bread together daily...although Jesus said do this often in remembrance of me.
I dont know if he meant just keep the passover or whether its every single meal give thanks.

Most churches have communion at least once a month, although I've heard some do it weekly or every single time they gather together.

Why is it important...I was thinking lately of psalm 23 how he provides us a table in the presence of mine enemies...Judas was at the last supper and Jesus still ate with him. He was also anointed and his cups run over in that he shared the cup with everyone. Then the psalmist says surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

Its like a homecoming meal. Also in revelation the marriage supper of the lamb is a big meal...if we didnt have communion it would be hard to fellowship with each other, when we sit at the table we are all sharing. God wants to fill us and he wants to sup with us.
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Its is a new testament ceremonial law as one part of a two part ceremony. The hair (glory )covering, un-uncovering . Which speaks of representative glories.Tt has been passed off as a fashion statement for woman for the time then present . Together they are used as a shadow of the new order . The only Glory to be seen is the Glory of God, by faith . It is represented by the new testament ordinance where men and woman can gather together to cerebrate. Prior to that reformation they were forbidden.
 
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garee said:
Its is a new testament ceremonial law as one part of a two part ceremony. The hair (glory )covering, un-uncovering . Which speaks of representative glories.Tt has been passed off as a fashion statement for woman for the time then present . Together they are used as a shadow of the new order . The only Glory to be seen is the Glory of God, by faith . It is represented by the new testament ordinance where men and woman can gather together to cerebrate. Prior to that reformation they were forbidden.
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Interesting perspective thx for sharing. FD
 
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FlyingDove said:
Interesting perspective thx for sharing. FD
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Looking at or studying on how hair or lack of it is used in the scriptures to represent the gospel makes a interesting study . Its one I have begun a few times.
 
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