The Non Meek Have A Problem

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Webers.Home

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Matt 5:5 . . Blessed are the meek

The third beatitude comes from the Old Testament.

Ps 37:10-11 . .For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou
shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall
inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

"blessed" is an ambiguous word. Depending upon the application, and/or the
context; it can mean fortunate, happy, favored, approved, venerated,
contented, honored, respected, successful, prosperous, praise-worthy,
privileged, endowed, and protected.

The koiné Greek word for "meek" in the third beatitude is praus (prah-ooce')
which means mild; defined by Webster's as gentle in nature or behavior; viz:
temperate; in other words: agreeable, approachable, reasonable, calm,
mellow, composed, and self-controlled, i.e. meek people, as a rule, aren't
easily antagonized, i.e. they don't fly off the handle and/or throw hissy fits
over trifles.

You can freely speak your mind with meek people without fear of reprisal.
They're usually reasonable and rational rather than emotional and reactive;
people don't have to walk on egg shells all the time to avoid setting them
off.

Can you just imagine the pleasure of living in a global society composed
entirely of temperate people? That alone would be Nirvana to me.

The 37th Psalm also promises peace; which implies not only the absence of
war; but also the absence of training for war; viz: martial arts and standing
armies.

Isa 2:4 . .They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears
into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither
shall they learn war any more.

Mic 4:4 . .They shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree;
and none shall make them afraid

NOTE: Some of the beatitudes contain both a present tense clause and a
future tense clause in the same sentence. For example:

"blessed are" is present tense.

"shall inherit" is future tense.

In other words: the non meek are also non blessed
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Meek does not mean weak....and Moses, described as meek stood against the most powerful man on the planet at the time.....and also in anger smashed the "Big 10" hand written by God on the mountain.....just sayin
 

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Matt 5:5 . . Blessed are the meek

The third beatitude comes from the Old Testament.

Ps 37:10-11 . .For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou
shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall
inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.


"blessed" is an ambiguous word. Depending upon the application, and/or the
context; it can mean fortunate, happy, favored, approved, venerated,
contented, honored, respected, successful, prosperous, praise-worthy,
privileged, endowed, and protected.


The koiné Greek word for "meek" in the third beatitude is praus (prah-ooce')
which means mild; defined by Webster's as gentle in nature or behavior; viz:
temperate; in other words: agreeable, approachable, reasonable, calm,
mellow, composed, and self-controlled, i.e. meek people, as a rule, aren't
easily antagonized, i.e. they don't fly off the handle and/or throw hissy fits
over trifles.


You can freely speak your mind with meek people without fear of reprisal.
They're usually reasonable and rational rather than emotional and reactive;
people don't have to walk on egg shells all the time to avoid setting them
off.


Can you just imagine the pleasure of living in a global society composed
entirely of temperate people? That alone would be Nirvana to me.


The 37th Psalm also promises peace; which implies not only the absence of
war; but also the absence of training for war; viz: martial arts and standing
armies.


Isa 2:4 . .They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears
into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither
shall they learn war any more.


Mic 4:4 . .They shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree;
and none shall make them afraid


NOTE: Some of the beatitudes contain both a present tense clause and a
future tense clause in the same sentence. For example:


"blessed are" is present tense.

"shall inherit" is future tense.

In other words: the non meek are also non blessed
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Love this post, I couldn't agree more!!!
 
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Fear of reprisals, that is something to ponder indeed.
 

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Christ went to the cross for every degree of meekness-- the totally meek,
the totally non meek, and the somewhat meek.

Isa 53:6 . . All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; but The Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

John 1:29 . . Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

1John 2:2 . . He himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours
only, but also for those of the whole world.

However; although Christ's crucifixion is effective for securing a lasting
peace between God and the various degrees of meekness; their
shortcomings have to be addressed before they're fit for life in heaven's
society

Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.

The Greek word for "blessed" means, among some other things: fortunate.

Well; some of us haven't been very fortunate in the area of meekness. We
are not meek; in point of fact, we have never been meek nor do we have a
sensible reason to expect we'll be any different down the road. In other
words: we are, by nature, permanently unsuitable for the kingdom of
heaven. What to do?

Well; one of the components of the plan salvation is called "regeneration"
which is basically a do-over wherein the natural-born core of one's being is
amputated, so to speak, and replaced by God's.

2Pet 1:4 . . He has given us his very great and precious promises, so that
through them you may participate in the Divine nature and escape the
corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

This "amputation" about which I speak is called a circumcision made without
hands; in other words: it's a supernatural procedure. (Col 2:10-11)
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Meek does not mean weak....and Moses, described as meek stood against the most powerful man on the planet at the time.....and also in anger smashed the "Big 10" hand written by God on the mountain.....just sayin
I was thinking that as well.

Meek doesn't mean dumb, either. Such as not protecting yourself or your family from harm.
 

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I was thinking that as well.

Meek doesn't mean dumb, either. Such as not protecting yourself or your family from harm.
i agree with you and dcontroversal

but brethren, what does meek mean? i take it to mean, humble, not boasting.
 
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I think the legalization of marijuana in Canada is going to put this country ahead of the curve.
 
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Meek does not mean weak....and Moses, described as meek stood against the most powerful man on the planet at the time.....and also in anger smashed the "Big 10" hand written by God on the mountain.....just sayin


As much as I agree with You here due to what is written in scripture, it's also written in scripture pertaining to Moses, that he was trained in the art of war, he was groomed to be leader/Pharaoh of Egypt, he was well educated, well learned, well spoken, the perfect fit for a leader of people (like we know in how he became the leader of God's people). He was confident enough to kill an Egyptian with his bare hands, when his anger grew, over the mistreatment of a Hebrew slave.

Now, I believe it was his father n law, wife, and family that eventually molded Moses into becoming this meek individual before God met him as the burning bush. But as a possible future leader of the Egyptian people with the best education provided him, I don't think Moses was all that meek then.
 
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As much as I agree with You here due to what is written in scripture, it's also written in scripture pertaining to Moses, that he was trained in the art of war, he was groomed to be leader/Pharaoh of Egypt, he was well educated, well learned, well spoken, the perfect fit for a leader of people (like we know in how he became the leader of God's people). He was confident enough to kill an Egyptian with his bare hands, when his anger grew, over the mistreatment of a Hebrew slave.

Now, I believe it was his father n law, wife, and family that eventually molded Moses into becoming this meek individual before God met him as the burning bush. But as a possible future leader of the Egyptian people with the best education provided him, I don't think Moses was all that meek then.
Num 12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

Moses was the most meek man on the planet, but I do tend to agree that Moses probably became more meek when God got a hold of him, but he was probably meek his whole life.

And I think many people have the wrong impression of Moses as some great figure in Egypt, but I believe he was looked upon by Pharaoh, and the Egyptians, as a common, lowly Hebrew, although he received more favor, and did not have to be a slave because the Pharaoh's daughter took him to be her son.

But he was not ever to be prince, or king, or a great leader in Egypt, but he was only a lowly Hebrew that had a little more favor than the other lowly Hebrews.

And that is it, which I cannot understand how they could misinterpret that, and claim him as something great when he was not.

Don't tell Hollywood for they would be mad, oh never mind they do not care if they pervert the truth.

Gen 43:32 And they set on for him by himself, and for them by themselves, and for the Egyptians, which did eat with him, by themselves: because the Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews; for that is an abomination unto the Egyptians.

That is what the Egyptians thought about the Hebrews.

Exo 2:11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
Exo 2:12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

Moses knew he was a Hebrew, and I believed he knew it for some time, possibly as soon as he could grasp it, and if he knew then Pharaoh knew as well as the Egyptians, so the Pharaoh would never make Moses a great man in his kingdom, and would not consider him equal as a son, or a prince, and would not consider him as equal to an Egyptian.

They would of told Moses as soon as possible that he was not an Egyptian, but a Hebrew, and get that out of the way for they were not going to have Moses going around thinking he was an Egyptian.

Exo 2:13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?
Exo 2:14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.
Exo 2:15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.

Ahem, alrighty then.

Would anybody ever think that if Moses was considered important in the kingdom, and equal as a son, and a great leader, that the Hebrews would dare talk to Moses that way, and say who made you a prince, and a judge over us.

For if he was the great man in the kingdom they would of never talked to him that way, and he would of been a judge and ruler over them.

But the Hebrews looked at Moses as nothing important to be talking to him that way, for if he was great it would be the same as if they talked that way to Pharaoh, but they looked at Moses as a lowly person like themselves.

They would be scared to talk to Moses that way had he been a great man, and a prince, and son, in the eyes of Pharaoh.

They would of kept their mouth shut, and they did not consider Moses a prince, or a judge, or anyone important over the Hebrews.

Moses was a lowly Hebrew, and the Hebrews knew it, and did not consider him anyone great.

And concerning the slaying of the 2 Egyptians, for if he was considered a prince, and a son (grandson) to the Pharaoh, Moses would not have been afraid that the Pharaoh would slay him, for the Pharaoh would of let it go, and dismissed it, even if it was Egyptians, and would believe the Hebrews were lying anyway concerning it.

I do not believe that Moses is the man that many people think he was, and he was the most meek man on the planet.

But being meek is not weak, the saints just cannot fight for no reason, and they have to take crap from people, and the world may think they are wimps for doing that, but God calls them the holy and mighty people, but they have to show love for the world to have a Christlike attitude.

But the world will soon know who is really the toughest people on earth when the saints receive their glorified body, and the wicked are ashes under the sole of their feet.

But being a saint actually is being bold, and tough, for they have to endure things without retaliation except preaching the word of God with boldness.

We are to be like Jesus, and when the Pharisees sent officers to take Jesus they came back empty handed, and the Pharisees said to the officers, why did you not arrest Him, and they said no man spoke like this man.

And Paul preached with boldness to people, and did not waver.

I think living for God you are more mentally stable, and tougher mentally, and the mind controls the body.

And also when Moses was 120 years old his eye did not grow dim, and his natural force was not abated, or diminished.

Moses was physically strong, and healthy, when he was 120 years old, the same as when he was 40 years old.
 
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Num 12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

Moses was the most meek man on the planet, but I do tend to agree that Moses probably became more meek when God got a hold of him, but he was probably meek his whole life.

And I think many people have the wrong impression of Moses as some great figure in Egypt, but I believe he was looked upon by Pharaoh, and the Egyptians, as a common, lowly Hebrew, although he received more favor, and did not have to be a slave because the Pharaoh's daughter took him to be her son.

But he was not ever to be prince, or king, or a great leader in Egypt, but he was only a lowly Hebrew that had a little more favor than the other lowly Hebrews.

And that is it, which I cannot understand how they could misinterpret that, and claim him as something great when he was not.




Numbers is after Moses led the Hebrew slaves out of Egypt, after the meeting with I AM as the burning bush, after his training and education in the Egyptian ways.


This is from Stephen before he was stoned to death:
Acts 7:
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And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

According to Stephen, he makes it appear that Moses was a mighty and very wise man in the ways of the Egyptian training. For Stephen to make this claim, it would seem the Hebrews/Jews believed he was not seen as a lowly Hebrew as you believe he might have been. To claim someone was WISE, MIGHTY IN WORDS and in DEEDS in the Egyptian ways...is basically saying that Moses made a great impression upon the Egyptian people and was well accepted as one of their own.

When I read what Moses claims about himself compared to what Stephen claims about Moses. I envision the idea of the comic hero Super Man pretending to be the lowly Clark Kent who is meek, lowly, awkward, unsure, and basically a clutz waiting to become a disaster.

I definitely feel confident in believing Stephen's version of Moses, compared to Moses' version of himself!!