new king of heaven

No it doesn’t but the fact remains some stars only appear on some months, like the Bible says those are for signs.

where does the bible use the stars in the sky for signs, when the bible mentions stars its being poetic, same with trees and beasts, because God is a poet.

Gen 1:14 though that depends on what bible you trust?


Berean Study Bible
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and to mark the seasons and days and years.

New American Standard Bible
Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;

King James Bible
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

just a few many out there.

of course the stars themselves are a sign from God as in all creation, but other then that the constellations are not really mentioned except to mark the seasons and festivals

poetic, blunt, mysterious

You can use those stars to track a month as well not only the moon, but of coarse that’s old school we live in the atomic age.

u should post your own forum about stars and the bible

lol yea, not, later.

I was talking about after the dragon is thrown to earth, but even that does not matter

He went after the woman BEFORE she gave birth as he was trying to STOP that birth.

When that failed, he went after the child (agreed)

He has been going after the woman ever since (his goal is to prevent God from being able to keep his promise to her) and when he is cast down, he will try all the more to go after her, only she will be protected. Causing him to go after her offspring

Revelation isn't only about the future.

1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen [past], and the things which are [present], and the things which shall be hereafter [future];

1:8 ... I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending ...
1:11 ... I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book ...
21:6 ... I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end ...
22:13 ... I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last ...

Job ---->the 12 signs of the Mazzaroth <-----the telling of the whole story in the heavens BEFORE corrupted by Astrology

Job 38:31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion?
Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Mazzaroth-->constellations

Yea that was what I was goingto say.
Revelations is giving the entire picture, not just things that happen in the future.

if the child in rev 12 is Jesus, John would have to be an agnostic, because he completely reinvents the birth of Jesus

You mean the child who would rule with a rod of Iron (rev 12: 5)

The same one David spoke of?

Ps 2:
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”
10

And the same one John mentioned again a few chapters later?


Rev 22: 11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.


Yeah, This is Jesus. There is. No one else it could be!

Revelation 2:26-28 [blb] -

26 And the one overcoming and keeping My works until the end, I will give to him authority over the nations, 27 and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken in pieces—just as I also have received from My Father. 28 And I will give to him the morning star.

Doesn't it appear that the one in the underlined (not bold) is distinct from the One in the underlined (and bolded)?


And Revelation 12:13 says,

"And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth [I believe this is at the mid-trib point (yet future)], he persecuted the woman [I believe this represents 'Israel' (who is to 'flee' [with 1260 days remaining])] who had brought forth [at some PAST point in time, from this perspective] the male [G730 - arsena / arrén ("probably from airo" [G142 - https://biblehub.com/greek/142.htm] ) ]"


If "the woman" (here) represents more than a singular/individual "woman" [Israel], then perhaps also "the male [G730]" she "had brought forth" represents more than a singular individual (and who is DISTINCT FROM "the remnant of her seed" that the dragon goes after [following his being "cast unto the earth" and now limited to that sphere], at mid-trib and following). Just my two cents.

^ EDIT: [see also Micah 5:3 and the distinct points in time therein, IMO]

Oh, and one more thing:

Isaiah 66:7 [ylt] -

"Before she is pained she hath brought forth, Before a pang cometh to her, She hath delivered a male."


So, before the INITIAL "birth PANG" takes place.

Jesus refers to he who overcomes will rule with an iron scepter in chapter 3 and he is not talking about himself, but Jesus refers to someone else, so perhaps this he who overcomes, the child and rider on the wight horse are the same person, the new king of heaven and earth.