Amillennialists...Here's a chance to state your case.

Actually, I am polar opposite of Calvinism in terms of TULIP...LOL....although I do respect the "rational" conservative approach they have towards scripture.

Those in the Reformed tradition that hold of the Preterist view have not been taken in by a false prophecy concerning modern day Israel so I pay attention to what they state.

i like you a lot. you are very sweet and friendly.

are you a calvinist yourself? they are usually not as sweet as you, im surprised. i see you post first sproul then spurgeon, both calvies so i ask.

i agree amill case is also strong, like the dispensational case. i think all the theories have merit or else they wouldnt exist.

my favorite about amill view is this, when you have someone ask you what happens next its very easy you dont need charts or any long teaching. you can just tell them look listen Jesus returns soon and will do final judgment on humanity, God has appointed a day to judge everyone and then we go to lake of fire or new heaven and new earth. and today is day of salvation no second chances in millennium or after rapture.

thats easy to say to anyone. you can prove it by just reading the sheep and goats to them, very fast and they get it. matthew 25:31-46. i know the premill have different look on that, but i would say that amill is the way any man reads those verses if he isnt provided with outside influences or scriptures. but only that part.
(just like people read revelation 20 in premill way if no other verses or outside influence is presented, nobody ever gets to amill by just reading revelation 20, in my opinion) to be fair.

i am just writing my thoughts i dont know why. im a very lonely man so i like to write here lolz. have a blessed day/night everyone.

can you send me a private message? dcon and eternally-gratefull have sent me one and it has gone through, i cant do it without paying.

if you were a calvinist can you tell me what made you stop it? if you could pm me.

i dont quite understand some points either like the L is just completely unbiblical i dont see it and T is over-exaggereted like you cant even pick up the phone when someone calls you. irresistable grace is also weird because i think the most resisted thing in world is God's grace.

Interesting note from Eusebius, is that he understands the destruction of the temple and destruction of Jerusalem to be the fulfillment of the 2nd coming:

When, then, we see what was of old foretold for the nations fulfilled in our own day, and when the lamentation and wailing that was predicted for the Jews, and the burning of the Temple and its utter desolation, can also be seen even now to have occurred according to the prediction, surely we must also agree that the King who was prophesied, (413) the Christ of God, has come, since the signs of His coming have been shewn in each instance I have treated to have been clearly fulfilled.

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/eusebius_de_10_book8.htm

Interesting note from Eusebius, is that he understands the destruction of the temple and destruction of Jerusalem to be the fulfillment of the 2nd coming:

When, then, we see what was of old foretold for the nations fulfilled in our own day, and when the lamentation and wailing that was predicted for the Jews, and the burning of the Temple and its utter desolation, can also be seen even now to have occurred according to the prediction, surely we must also agree that the King who was prophesied, (413) the Christ of God, has come, since the signs of His coming have been shewn in each instance I have treated to have been clearly fulfilled.

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/eusebius_de_10_book8.htm

Interesting note from Eusebius, is that he understands the destruction of the temple and destruction of Jerusalem to be the fulfillment of the 2nd coming:

When, then, we see what was of old foretold for the nations fulfilled in our own day, and when the lamentation and wailing that was predicted for the Jews, and the burning of the Temple and its utter desolation, can also be seen even now to have occurred according to the prediction, surely we must also agree that the King who was prophesied, (413) the Christ of God, has come, since the signs of His coming have been shewn in each instance I have treated to have been clearly fulfilled.

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/eusebius_de_10_book8.htm

That wall is not the Temple wall, and Jesus knew exactly what he was stating and there is no indication that was a metaphor/hyperbole or figurative language given the context and the historical records bear out the Temple was completely destroyed.

There shall not be one stone left here, they were at the Temple when He made the statement, he was not telling a parable.

I would suggest we walk by faith the unseen spiritual understanding and not in the use of metaphors like a visible temple .

Of course its a parable which without Christ spoke not.

No one is saying it was not destroyed. The temple worship was destroyed when the veil was rent, rendering the stone walls useless. Stones are used to represent foundations just like the foundation of lively stone that make up the spiritual house of God not seen, the church .

The use of the metaphor served its purpose. The time of reformation had come. No longer using that seen to represent the true Holy place as that not seen

It would be a abomination of desecration if it was standing in the true holy place of faith . That period of time previous to the reformation is used as a parable for the time previous, it came to a end.

"Heaven and Earth" in Jewish writings refers to the Temple that is the place where heaven and earth met.
Here..I think Spurgeon makes a good case.

C.H. Spurgeon said:

Mr. Azam, those that make light of the First Jewish War (66 -73 BC) the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple have neglected their history books as well.

Okay I agree that the time of the physical temple is done.

Not that I intend this argumentative but if you are correct in what you are saying then what temple will the AoD be set up in when the man of lawlessness comes,who recieved his mark and worshipped his image in the past?

I really thought I had heard it all until I seen that heaven and earth passing away is in reference to the temple......as long as the truth, verbiage, verb tense and the word AND is rejected in favor of a man's opinion over the word.....the truth will not only be rejected, but hidden in plain sight from any and ALL that will not be open to learning and instruction!!!!

Yes

yes? who in the past received that mark and worshiped it's image?

The mark of Cain as restless wanderer suffering the pangs of a living hell whose punishment was greater that he could bear .One the Christ alone can bear?