Amillennialists...Here's a chance to state your case.

No,,, I'm not saying Jesus is hiding anything. Everyone thinks that the disciples are asking about his second coming so in post 462 and 464 I gave some Scriptures from after the Crucifixion showing the reactions of the same disciples to him being killed. Jesus does mention his return in the answer he gave but they did not understand he was going to be killed at that time and so I gave the scriptures from the bible showing this also. They ask about the sign of his coming as the Messiah/king and they thought he was not going to die
but was there to stay.

What are your thoughts about what Jesus was saying in Matthew 24:15 (the part in bold) -

"Therefore when you shall see 'the abomination [singular] of desolation,' having been spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place--the one reading, let him understand--"

[Q: what would be "the holy place" ? (at that future time)]



I believe this must speak to the "abomination [singular]" in Daniel chpt 12 [this is not to say that Dan9:27 is wholly unrelated, but the word is plural there] -

Dan12 [kjv] - "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination [singular] that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Dan12 [bsb] - "11 And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination [singular] of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days."


What do you believe Jesus is referring to by saying [see] "standing in the holy place" ? (and Daniel's words which say "set up").

And do you see this as relating to 2Th2:4?


[I'm asking those who blv this is future, as I do]

Thanks for explaining.

I would ask in regard to the question ; (1) "when" (time) and (2) "what" shall be the sign of thy coming"(what it looks like) if not the second coming then which? and (3) other part of the question and the end of the world. Which speaks to the last day, the day of the lord.

He gives us signs of observation or signs of the time as business as usual .But does not give the information of the last day desiring we walk by faith .He simply say he who have the faith to believe are those that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.No dates. Like in the time on Noah . The last day used 6 times in the book of John .

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.Mathew 24:3-13

The things I have said in the post prior to this,he(antichrist) removes his kingdom into that city(Jerusalem) and many believe it to be Christ our Lord and his temple(he pretends to be Christ and duplicates what is written of him).

I believe this must speak to the "abomination [singular]" in Daniel chpt 12 [this is not to say that Dan9:27 is wholly unrelated, but the word is plural there] -
Dan12 [kjv] - "11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination [singular] that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
Dan12 [bsb] - "11 And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination [singular] of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days."

im looking into this dwight pentecost things to come. eternally-gratefull recommends it to me i like eternally-gratefull he is a friendly guy

Yeah, Dwight will put you straight with his statements such as "the church was entirely unknown in the old testament" and an "interruption of God's program for Israel".

These are the bogus ideas that form the rotten root of dispensation-al-ism and totally without merit.

Yes, so I agree (kind of... I think )... so are you saying that where Jesus said "[when...see...standing] in the holy place," that He could have as easily stated [meaning, same] "standing in the holy city [Jerusalem]" (like, when they "see" that)?? And not a more narrow [particular] place [within Jerusalem]? Coz it just says [I think] "holy place" (and not "THE holy place/places" [which always refers to "specifically that part of the temple or tabernacle which is called 'the holy place' ")?? However, 2Th2:4 does say something more specific, it seems... right?

Just wondering...

I see the temple of God as 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 and John 2:19-25 being the head of it(Holy Spirit dwells in it), and the antichrist sets up an temple in it's place/stead which is an abomination to the true temple(a wing,he cannot enter into it) in a place where it ought not be.

I'm related to the Seed spiritually.

The war is spiritual. No need to ignore these facts.

Yeah, Dwight will put you straight with his statements such as "the church was entirely unknown in the old testament" and an "interruption of God's program for Israel".

These are the bogus ideas that form the rotten root of dispensation-al-ism and totally without merit.

Yes we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Not sure what is meant by spiritualize something away.? Did you mean offer a spiritual understanding of that parable as you did?

yeah I should have known. Have you even read his book, or just saying what you have been told??

yeah I should have known. Have you even read his book, or just saying what you have been told??

Its ok thought, I told Melach I did not agree with everything DP said. But to do what you just did wow man, like wow.

Should we not test all spirits? let the man read and if he does not like it he can say so.

This is one of the reasons I hate this subject, brother and sister tearing each other up all because they disagree..

What is a fact is you have not proven anything with this post. You slammed a group. called it names. and used nothign to back up what you said. its sad.

I knew I should not have come in, took a break. I should have stayed away!

Just as God allowed Satan to test Job he allowed him to set up modern Israel. It is part of Bible Prophecy in that it is part of the
strong delusion involving the antichrist. The Bible teaches that a remnant of Israel will be saved not because of ethnic considerations
but of belief in Christ as Lord and Messiah. It says they will look upon him who they pierced. This happens at Christs second coming

What do you think they ask the Lord in Matthew 24:3(in light of post # 462 & 464)?