Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?

As always he must do the first works to make it possible Mankind is dead in their trespass and sins they need the faith of coming from God so they can believe Him not seen. . Previously having none, not little, none. . We cannot have faith in him or towards him unless him not seen give us the faith of coming from God . It takes two to confirm faith one work two walking together must be in a agreement

Without that faith of Christ working in us. How could we let him that has no form be true and every man that has form a liar?

Romans 3 King James Version (KJV)For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.


If he gives a us a loving commandment to seek his approval by studying. How could we if we had no faith to make it possible? we then would have to play who is the greastest? let him stand in the holy Place of God as the ambonation of desicraption.

Not this one (me, myself and I) Even Jesus refused to stand there... but rather gave glory to the father not seen and said ' only God not seen is good" .Our Holy God is defined by the things not seen

Men would play like the apostles "who is the greatest" in Luke 9. Which Jesus in the end identifies as the wrong manner spirit rather that walking by a faith that alone comes from hearing God . They chose the things seen .Jesus fell to the bottom of the Totem pole .all three time he hid the spiritual understanding in the parables. I believe trying to teach them how faith works so that they could hear God through his signified language the gospel.. our new tongue

What if some did not believe the faith of God (coming from) as it worked in others? They are left playing "who is the greatest" as the manner Jesus spoke of in Luke 9 turning things upside down... taking away the faith that alone comes from hearing God. Again this "who is the greatest "occurred every time (3 times) they did not understand the things of God, as it is written. They did not mix faith in what they die hear the spiritual understanding was hid


Big difference between OF coming as a source and IN ( I heard loud and clear) as reply to the work that comes it from

.IN towards and OF the source it must be properly divided

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Great question, over and over Scripture says to believe.

Does faith require evidence? Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not yet seen.

The justification of Abraham’s faith was through his obedience to sacrifice his son, Genesis 22.

But initially, he was declared righteous by believing the word of God, Genesis 15.

For by grace are you saved through faith . . . ye are His workmanship . . . Eph. 2:8-10

100% of the faith that God gives us through his grace.
100% of the works that God does in us to make us his workmanship.
All powered 100% by the grace of God which is what saves us.
(By the way, I like your thread - it is intriguing the answers you get . . .!)

Aú contraire,...

Romans 4:2-3 NKJV
[2] For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. [3] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Genesis 15:5-6 NKJV
[5] Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." [6] And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Huh?

That one is easy! "believing in" and "having faith in" are the same thing. At least if you go by the Greek words. If you look up the English words in Websters or if you use your own theology who knows what you might come up with!

I realize that, but someone was trying to make a case that we ase saved by the faith OF Jesus rather than faith IN Jesus. When asked how does one obtain the faith OF Jesus, they said you need to belive IN the Gospel...Well go back and read what lead up to this semantic pretzel, lol.

Yeah, I figured you knew that - but many out there don't know that . . .
I will gladly let you deal with the enigma of the difference between OF and IN! LOL! It is your thread!

Yes, in type a Gentile believer (before he was circumcised in 17). James has Abraham being justified by works when he offered up Isaac.

James 2
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Salvation and justification happen at the same time under the NT, upon believing the gospel of Christ. Upon believing, God’s righteousness which is by the faith of Christ is imputed to the believer.

It’s all about whose faith justifies, our puny, waivering faith or Christ’s faith which is firm and never waivers. Faith in Christ is about us. Faith of Christ is about Him

Ugh, did you have to remind me?

James is simply saying that Abraham's faith was made perfect to the point he offered Isaac. Otherwise, according to some, Abraham lost his salvation when he told a lie to Pharaoh to save his own skin on account of Sarai.

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Neither faith justifies, it is God who justifies (counts our faith as righteous on account of Jesus).
Galatians 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Romans 8:33 (KJV) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Here is the faith of Jesus Christ

NIV1984 Hebrews 5:7-9
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.

...A SAVING AND LIVING FAITH ...NOT A DEAD FAITH THAT CLAIMS SALVATION WITHOUT EVEN LIFTING A FINGER SO HOW MUCH MORE WOULD THEY SUFFER FOR CHRIST AND FOR OTHERS AS CHRIST DID.

NIV1984 Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him,

NIV1984 1 John 3:16
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

NIV1984 Matthew 10:37-39
“Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

NIV1984 Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, “If you want to be PERFECT, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

NIV1984 John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

A SELFLESS LOVE that gives and thinks about the interest and welfare of others who may not even deserve that kind of LOVE.

NIV1984 Philippians 2:3-5
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 13:2
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

The FAITH of Jesus Christ is founded on SELFLESS LOVE, through His SUFFERINGS in obedience to the commands of God.

...The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Galatians 5:6

Isn’t Jesus God?

Sorry bye 👍

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