Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

Lots of great ideas in your post, there!

Let's take them one at a time so we don't get confused.
So starting with the first one, that at first there was no law.

Genesis 1: 28. God blessed them. God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Is this a law? A rule that God gave to humans to instruct them how to live?

Amen. This is my heart and experience also.
Some simply do not know this or understand it. Not sure there is an answer to this, because what one
does not know, one does not know.

We share to connect, and praise God there are others who know, Amen.

Are the reason/s why that that which you see as "works for, and/or maintaining of one's salvation", is just so much "futile effort/s", or "folly" in your eyes, and opinions, and teaching/s.

In other words because YOU, and others LIKE you see these efforts as "folly" in your eyes. Which is precisely what you ARE saying when you state that you have NO IDEA what I'm saying? Makes me, and others WRONG?
Because that's what you're doing, isn't it? Pretty narrow minded isn't it?
Allow me, if you will to shine a little light here.
The "many membered body of Christ?" Is NOT "THE government" on Christ's shoulders!
PART of "the government?" Yes! But ONLY part!
The grace God gives in giving rest in Christ? Goes away, the MOMENT one chooses, or in some cases "been chosen", to "pick up one's cross" and FOLLOW Christ!
You are probably asking. "Now WHY would ANYONE do such a thing?"
Like I stated earlier? I didn't call on God, nor ask God for help in any way, when I had had enough of crack cocaine, and just "turned my back" to it, and walked away from it!
God? CHOSE me! It was such an experience, and I have to liken it to what it must have been like for Saul on the road to Tarsus. Only it wasn't Jesus! It was His Father! Telling me several things. One being that I had done "acts ATTRIBUTABLE towards righteousness!" Another being, that "My WORD doesn't go out from ME, and RETURN to ME void!" Another being, "EVERYTHING you learned in church?" "Is WRONG!" Can't tell ya what else He said. He won't allow it!
Anyway, just as Saul didn't refuse Christ? I didn't refuse His Father! To be quite honest? "REFUSING?" Was NOT an option! As I imagine it was the same for Saul!

So, it's not for you, or your kind, that I post these testimonies. It's for the others, that have not, as yet, been given "strong delusion."
And, if this seems wrong in your eyes? And, I haven't had any indication in your posts that what I am posting is right in your eyes, and others eyes?
Then VIVA la PERSECUTION!
For I shall ENDURE it! TILL the end!

Absolutely read God's law! And meditate!
Psalm 1: 2. But whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and whose mind is on his law day and night.

I am thankful to that in addition to the law given through Moses in the wilderness, we also have the words of Jesus and his apostles and Prophets

Matthew 7: 12. Therefore whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them; for this is the law and the prophets.

And we know there are more things Jesus wanted to say while here on Earth but couldn't communicate them
John 16: 12. "I have yet many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now.

GRANDPA PLEASE STOP ADDRESSING ME as you can not seem to comprehend what my values and beliefs are and all you see me as is a "judaizer and under sin and death"

I quote "But when God manifested in the flesh, became the sacrifice, and His death upon the accursed tree the ransom, then the Sufferer being of infinite worth, His free-will sufferings were of infinite value. The atoning sacrifice must be one capable of consenting, and must of His own will, place himself in the sinner's stead"

He got rid of that old law, He did HIMSELF. Someone LIED to you when they told you that a CHRISTIAN could be "under that old law". GOD DID AWAY WITH IT way before we were ever born. It was done away with to bring in A NEW AND BETTER. Please go look it up yourself. Don't believe me or any one else.

so HOPEFULLY LOUDLY ENOUGH, I deighann EMBRACE THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW OF JESUS CHRIST WRITTEN UPON MY HEART AND IN MY MIND, THAT DOES NOT/CAN NOT TRANSFER EVER, OVER TO A LAW THAT DOESN'T EXIST. PLEASE QUIT ACCUSING ME OF "BEING UNDER THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH" and a judaizer and whatever things you say.

Again, to be clear,
I EMBRACE THE NEW COVENANT OF JESUS CHRIST, understanding the old was done away with because THE LETTER KILLETH, and the new came in place of it because THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE.

I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE JUSTIFIED, OR TO FIND MY SALVATION or to BE MADE RIGHTEOUS EITHER IN OR THROUGH THE LAW. NEVER, NOT ONCE. I REALLY HOPE AND PRAY YOU CAN HEAR THIS.

Very true!

And in ancient Israel, and according to the letter of the law, women would often find themselves required to marry someone they might not have wanted to.

No, and that's why it's good for a new Christian to be surrounded by mature Christians, and to read their Bible frequently, and to pray without ceasing!

And I would say that even a new Christian would very likely be able to see that in 21st century America requiring a woman to marry her rapist does not fit with the basic teachings of Jesus.

Yes, and don't you know our Brother James read about Simion and Levi's anger and Jacobs pronouncement many times over. Not to mention what he saw in real life every day, but Simeon and Levi were examples of the end result of that kind of anger that he could actually see and quantify with his own eyes.

Romans 6
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?

And so it goes. Like playing chess with a pigeon! Knocks over all the pieces, poops on the board. Then struts around acting like it won!

I sense your frustration!

Interesting analogy. &

When it comes down to it we are all free to pick our path. I prefer the lighted path!

Psa 119:105-106 KJV NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. (106) I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.

I hear and read you!!!

Amen. Pick up our cross and follow Jesus.

We need hearts of flesh to be able to do this, knowing the Holy Spirit talking
to our hearts.

It does not dawn on some, that if the words of Jesus are too hard, it is not
Jesus who has the problem but the listener.

I have seen people mention the word of power LOVE and then be attacked by
"believers".

In the house group I attend, over the years I have begun to see the Lord
move in openness, love and His Spirit, healing, encouraging and bringing blessing
on His people. Last night we had 7 people give their testimonies of the Lord in
their lives. And they all spoke of things they cared about and how the Lord had
brought love meaning and focus to their lives.

As sisters and brothers in Christ, this is what I call true fellowship. And in our group
they are not terribly theological, but they know Jesus and His love at work.

God bless you

"you have proved" "sick of trying" "you refuse"

This is how you communicate being upset, because this poor self sacrificing
individual is putting so much effort in to communicate, to someone who refuses
to listen, they are literally sick of it. lol

I do not remember Jesus reacting like this to anyone.
He wept for peoples blindness to love and openness, reconciliation with God
through faith and repentance. And carrying our cross each day, we expect rejection
and hurt, because that is what sinners do.

It makes me wonder if this is the approach and life style of an individual, does
anyone want to know more? I praise God for His empathy and love to us sinners,
to turn us into saints. Amen.

The "quote" believers "unquote" was not lost on me. I sense many have simply wandered into the wrong crowd and they better open their eyes!

We cannot say that they will not be in the Kingdom of Heaven because Jesus did say:

Mat 5:18-19 KJV For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Not sure what "being least in the kingdom of heaven" translates to, but, The Holy Spirit has shown me that these who resist Gods order are "without excuse" They put something else, pride, family, fellowship, etc etc, above the Law. So, that said, perhaps we have been one of their opportunities to reconsider, and some may still and I know every one of us will open our hearts and arms.

Also note; that when Jesus was speaking of His many audiences in "that day" with those who chose to work within the church "without the law" he said:


Mat 7:21-23 KJV Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So a mans position and actions with regard to His commandments is a very serious matter! It is an absolute indicator of a mans love or lack of love for Him.

All I did was quote scripture that you professed to love.

Not sure why you got so upset over that.

Unless you were just kidding about there being nothing about God and the Word that you don't love.

You have to be more obvious when you are just kidding about something. I can't tell over the internet.

That was all you did? Is that Gods honest truth.? That is all you meant? That is what "the Spirit" leads you to do? or is that gods honest truth?

Please stop responding to me, You continue to prove you have no clue what I believe, proven by these ridiculous posts. As if I do not believe those things.

You want me to respect you show me some respect by showing you can at least learn what I believe, and not continue to be in darkness and THINK YOU KNOW.

Makes you realize not only the reason but also the difference between the "Letter of the Law" and the "Spirit of the Law" and how the Holy Spirt leads us. Thank God for the wisdom and knowledge of God for the common sense to be able to discern between the times and the relevance and/or irrelevance of each of the laws that past away and/or was changed. Do you think common sense comes from a gift of God direct, or from study in the Word of God as a gift. I think He may gift people but more than not it comes from studying. I know for me it, it has been a huge leap. Some questions people ask can't be answered by another person, they can only be found, one on one with God in deep study. Some people get so mad when you tell them to find the answer in the bible themselves. And even with deep study, He gives it to you in His time not yours. Don't you agree?
Do you think that the rapist had to marry the girl because she was considered "not clean" after and as such would never marry and it was a way to make sure she did? Do you think there were many rapists? I think society was much different.
Where did it say the girl had to marry the rapist? I thought they were to be stoned to death? I have always found comfort in that. I think that all rapists and murderers should be stoned in public with the family allowed to throw the first stone. I think if we followed Gods laws on this today there would be much less of it happening.

The good side is it must have worked out really well for those star crossed lovers from different tribes who were told they would never be together, and they couldn't live without each other. But as with everything in this life it is the battle between Good and Evil every step of the way isn't it? People seem to forget that Everything is vanity. The only things that truly count are of the Sprititual world even here even now. God even tells us how fleeting this life is. I guess when you can divide a spirit from a soul it doesn't take to much flesh life to see how much of what we did back then was of love and goodness and strength and courage, or an evil influence or if the evil was really a part of us and we can't overcome. I know I can't wait till Judgment Day either.