Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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eternally-gratefull

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when this guy fist came around, he was pushing the book of enoch . told me all I needed to know at that point.
Oh wow. If this is true, he can join Naylorbear
 

gb9

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Greetings Y,

Good points!
Rightly divide
Berean methodology

Isn't it amazing how the more we dig the more we find?!
if you keep digging, you might find the truth that gentiles were never under the Law,, and were never commanded to keep the Sabbath, if you keep an openness to truth as you dig.
 

Yahshua

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I'm confused.
You insinuated that not all of Israel was required to keep Deuteronomy 22:11, and then you confirmed that yes, they were.
Also confusing is your analogy - doesn't it equate 'having Christ' with 'keeping Moses' Law'? Because you say, having the Law without having Christ is just as useless as having a prescription but not filling it. The inference is that Christ = being under the Law and fully keeping it all. Which would include Deuteronomy 22:11

Can you just give a clear, pragmatic answer: i am a believer of totally gentile descent. Is it sin for me to wear poly/cotton blend clothes? Am i under the Law of Moses?
Let's ask this question. Do you obey the tithing instruction?
 

gb9

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Oh wow. If this is true, he can join Naylorbear

I was speaking of nayloebear. as for the Hebrew roots guy, well he is just another Hebrew roots guy, pushing the same twisted Scripture garbage as all the others who have come and gone.
 

NayborBear

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Are gentile believers Israel?
Romans 11
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL (!) the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

These verses? In "my" mind? And, by that which I have experienced, and am experiencing?
ANSWERS the "mystery" as to the WHAT& WHERE the "fulness of the gentiles" "END" is to be!


A resounding?
YES!

tick-toc tick-toc :cool:
 

Yahshua

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You will never understand. There is no need to try to explain it to you.

Who said they were required to be followed by men? thats not the case.

The case is, YOU HAVE FAILED TO KEEP THE LAW. (If it is something that does not pertain to you, then you can not follow it can you? It will not be held against you then will it?)

It does not mean you obeyed the law because you are exempt from that one command, You still have the other commands that God gave moses that MOSES made them take an oath to OBEY EVERY LETTER! And as Paul said, You must obey ever letter. And as james said, You mess up 1 time on 1 command, your cursed. Guilty of the whole law.
I'm glad you've judged me on my capability, lord EG.

And I'm glad you've acknowledged the point I was making, even though you've somehow made it your point(??): that not every instruction was for everyone, but all were expected to carefully follow what was given.

I'm glad you clarified. Thanks :)
 

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No

In my mind, LOVE fullfills the law, Just like Christ said.

If I love you I will not sin against you, in fact, I will not even CONSIDER sin against you, meanign I will nto even be TEMPTED by sin.

But I know. Thats a foriegn idea to you. You think just because you do not commit some sin, your ok..

Well news flash. Your not. It goes much deeper than this.
Amen. Love is placed at the centre.
I whole heartedly agree, love in our hearts in the Kingdom of Heaven come to reign through
Christ and the cross.

Gods word works through us and comes to bring us to this place, where we are just bowed
before Him, honouring who He is and knowing the love He has placed within us, the power
of the Kingdom, eternity and love working its way through every aspect of our lives.
 
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I'm confused.
You insinuated that not all of Israel was required to keep Deuteronomy 22:11, and then you confirmed that yes, they were.
Also confusing is your analogy - doesn't it equate 'having Christ' with 'keeping Moses' Law'? Because you say, having the Law without having Christ is just as useless as having a prescription but not filling it. The inference is that Christ = being under the Law and fully keeping it all. Which would include Deuteronomy 22:11

Can you just give a clear, pragmatic answer: i am a believer of totally gentile descent. Is it sin for me to wear poly/cotton blend clothes? Am i under the Law of Moses?

Hey PH,

I have a sincere question, as they all are, but to be sure you do not take it as a refutation in the form of a question...

How are you sure you are 100% Gentile? Or not 100% Israelite? Everyone else is claiming it!

SG
 
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You will never understand. There is no need to try to explain it to you.

Who said they were required to be followed by men? thats not the case.

The case is, YOU HAVE FAILED TO KEEP THE LAW. (If it is something that does not pertain to you, then you can not follow it can you? It will not be held against you then will it?)

It does not mean you obeyed the law because you are exempt from that one command, You still have the other commands that God gave moses that MOSES made them take an oath to OBEY EVERY LETTER! And as Paul said, You must obey ever letter. And as james said, You mess up 1 time on 1 command, your cursed. Guilty of the whole law.

Note the ALL CAPS identifies a PILLAR of your doctrinal position. If someone can undermine that position THEN WHAT? It's not all about bludgeoning someones errors as you may see them, but more about accentuating the Grace of God! You would find yourself in almost universal company! EG there will always be someone who understands more than you or I. Is it ever possible that we put ourselves in an unteachable position?
 
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I'm glad you've judged me on my capability, lord EG.

And I'm glad you've acknowledged the point I was making, even though you've somehow made it your point(??): that not every instruction was for everyone, but all were expected to carefully follow what was given.

I'm glad you clarified. Thanks :)
Whatever dude

According to you.

Moses Lied. Paul Lied and James lied. in Fact God lied.

We will just leave it there.
 

Yahshua

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Note the ALL CAPS identifies a PILLAR of your doctrinal position. If someone can undermine that position THEN WHAT? It's not all about bludgeoning someones errors as you may see them, but more about accentuating the Grace of God! You would find yourself in almost universal company! EG there will always be someone who understands more than you or I. Is it ever possible that we put ourselves in an unteachable position?
Powerful words. A post worth keeping to remind myself to stay humble.
 
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Note the ALL CAPS identifies a PILLAR of your doctrinal position. If someone can undermine that position THEN WHAT? It's not all about bludgeoning someones errors as you may see them, but more about accentuating the Grace of God! You would find yourself in almost universal company! EG there will always be someone who understands more than you or I. Is it ever possible that we put ourselves in an unteachable position?
It does not matter

Hebrew roots is a dangerous proposition. It keeps people under law. It does NOT ALLOW people to find true sanctification. It keeps them focused on self instead of focused on others. And it is a false gospel.

The fact is. We have two ways to heaven according to scripture

1. The law.. No one has met this standard
2. Grace - Sadly few enter this way.

Grace and law can not mix, they are apposed to each other as for what they ar met to accomplish (one condemns, the other saves)
 
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if you keep digging, you might find the truth that gentiles were never under the Law,, and were never commanded to keep the Sabbath, if you keep an openness to truth as you dig.
2Ch 16:9 KJV For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.
 

NayborBear

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I was speaking of nayloebear. as for the Hebrew roots guy, well he is just another Hebrew roots guy, pushing the same twisted Scripture garbage as all the others who have come and gone.
Problems arise, it seems, as can be witnessed in the BDF, as well as in the "world beyond the BDF", that people have this tendancy, in either being deceived, by man, or by forces within any particular believer, in the aiding of "self" deceiving oneself, that: "This "measure of faith" I have?" "Is a full measure!" (therefore) "There is no more faith, that I NEED, nor deisre!"

And this makes for (a) resistance, to any, IF not ALL efforts, in anyone's efforts towards "edification!"

Like leading a horse to water, so to speak. One can talk about it with posts, in explaining that there is indeed more faith, yea even more "Fruit of the Spirit" that needs tending to, in baring fruit, BESIDES "love!"
But, you can't MAKE 'em "drink" it!

Matthew 13
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;........

As one grows? It becomes more and more incumbent, or should anyway, in the rendering of these other types of ground, taught in this parable, into good ground!

And, so it is with "hot house lillies!" When their "root structure" has filled the pot they started in? They seem to flat out REFUSE to be placed in a larger pot!

Then? Out comes that "green-eyed" monster of jealousy. When people talk about the Kingdom in terms that are "over their heads, and beyond their root structure!"

Or? To explain it in a more suburbian, or landscaping way?
Ever see, or buy a tree, or seen a tree planted that has its roots all bound up, like in a burlap sack?
How much do you think that tree would grow, should those roots be encased in 55 gallon impenetrable steel drum?
 
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Powerful words. A post worth keeping to remind myself to stay humble.
Yes, and when we comment on these things we must bow low, lower than low. If to help one another to take that humble position where God many exalt us we are so close to exalting ourselves, and it makes me nervous, nervous like standing on a shaky ladder leaning against a flimsy branch! The possibility of good fruit better be worth the risk. I hope so and hopefully as my own fear of "calling out" is risky busniness put myself in a watchful position.

TWO ABSOLUTE GUARANTEES!

The humble Will be exalted
The Proud Will be humbled
 

Yahshua

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Whatever dude

According to you.

Moses Lied. Paul Lied and James lied. in Fact God lied.

We will just leave it there.
Wow I did all of that huh? Those are serious charges. I'd say you're a false accuser of me your brethren, but that would be a counter-claim.

Thankfully we have an advocate with the father. The Greatest Attorney/Counselor heaven and earth will ever have. He'll plead my case.

Good day, sir.
 

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Hey PH,

I have a sincere question, as they all are, but to be sure you do not take it as a refutation in the form of a question...

How are you sure you are 100% Gentile? Or not 100% Israelite? Everyone else is claiming it!

SG

Because AFAIK no Jews were exiled among the Maya
 

posthuman

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Let's ask this question. Do you obey the tithing instruction?
No, why would i?

Moreover, i don't own livestock or farmland, and there isn't even any such thing as a temple shekel anymore, nor a priest to value the few tomatoes and herbs i grow, nor any Levite in temple service to receive it, so i could not tithe even were i to be shown to be obligated to.
 
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Wow I did all of that huh? Those are serious charges. I'd say you're a false accuser of me your brethren, but that would be a counter-claim.

Thankfully we have an advocate with the father. The Greatest Attorney/Counselor heaven and earth will ever have. He'll plead my case.

Good day, sir.
Yet I keep posting what those three said and you keep telling me I am wrong, and that I need to look elsewhere, and every time I try to explain it to you. You keep directing me elswheere, meaning you evidently do not agree with what those three said.

Yes, Good day, You can take your hebrew roots and live under law..


me, I will focus on Christ.