When is it gonna be enough?

I know I'll expect resistance, given the nasty things I've said before. I know I may be mocked, ridiculed, and sidelined. But I don't care. I have a strong opinion and I want to share it.

We've had five shootings in the last five days. Christians, when are we gonna get serious about this beyond "thoughts and prayers?" Thoughts and prayers are meaningless without action. Something needs to be done.


Don't discount thoughts and prayers, they've helped a lot of people through the most difficult times in life. You say action is needed. Great!! Let's start with enforcing the laws on the books. Then we can look into mental health issues. And possibly most important we can look into fatherless homes. 26 out of 27 shooters had no fathers in the home. So along with thoughts and prayers we can act on these things.


Maybe less guns won't solve the problem, but more certainly won't help either.

Well stats don't back that up. Since the problem isn't guns but who is shooing the guns. That's called personal responsibility. Law abiding citizens have a right to defend themselves.

Should we just sit back and let the nation become a terrorist state? Should gun violence only be stopped by making sure the good guy has the bigger gun? You know something is terribly wrong when shootings become a matter of "when" rather than "if."

Actually mass shootings are rare. Are you as upset by the people that are killed weekly in Chicago and Baltimore? Why are there no protesters there? Why no news teams? 293 people were killed in Chicago so far this year. Crickets from the liberals.


If Christians want to be part of the solution, we can't just pray, we need to do something. Then again, according to a lot of evangelicals, the world is going to be consumed by fire anyway so why bother doing jack?

Doesn't matter what evangelicals say or what your church says, what does the Bible say? Do you know? Evil is a choice, there is not one thing you can do if someone is determined to kill people. And taking guns from responsible people isn't the answer.


I'm honestly ashamed to call myself a Christian now, not because I'm ashamed of Jesus, but because I'm ashamed of my fellow Christians who've all but sold their souls to political power.

Can you expand on what you mean by that? That's a broad accusation.


The past few years have proven to me that most Christians aren't much different, if at all, from the world. We're sloppy with grace and don't teach people to be responsible for their actions.

Can't see anything there to disagree with. I think that we could agree on.



There are people in this world who are evil and do not deserve our sympathy. I do not feel one bit sorry for all these mass shooters and all those youth teachers who turned out to be pedophiles. There are normal people, and then there are the depraved. Do not tell me there is not a difference. Do not tell me that the only unforgivable sin is "blasphemy." Blasphemy takes many forms.

I do understand your anger. When I hear an evil person is taken down I believe they got what they deserved. But when we look into the background of a lot of these shooters and how they were raised we see its not as simple as we think. We are at a point in life where young men are being left to raise themselves. They are told they are toxic, that being masculine is wrong, while also being told to "man up". I'm honestly surprised there aren't more mass shootings.


But whatever, it's not like anyone truly cares.

Well that's an emotional opinion, but it's not true, nor is it fair.


Even I prefer to isolate myself because I know that I can only take so much empathy. I can only weep with so many others who weep. This is why so many people my age are so disillusioned. We were prepared for a world that no longer exists, where people are content to hate each other rather than get over themselves and work together.

I agree we need a revival. But there is a great struggle in this country right now. We are coming near the end times and satan is trying to get every soul he can.


I'm sick of theology that tells me to hate people based on their skin color, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever. I want to judge people by their character, nothing else. Christians, the world is watching. We are called to a higher standard. And if I'm the only one willing to hold to it, then so be it.

Well the only ones that tell you to separate people based on race, sex and religion are the Dems. Republicans judge people by their character, just as MLK said. Yes, we are called to a higher standard, but it's not a standard of tolerance and secularism but of the truth of God's Word and that Christ died for our sins. Make sure the standard you're bearing is Christs standard.

Like I just showed you, we have a murder rate, per person, about 6 times less than yours. There is literally a statistical graph showing the distribution of murders.

There is a reason people feel safer in the Netherlands than they do in the States. There is a reason women can walk home at night in Amsterdam but wouldn't be likely to do so in St. Louis.

But what if they were to continue to live in prison. Then who knows if maybe they would change. Some heard the gospel and became saved in prison. I feel that long prison sentence and counselling is best.

How will fear be put in them? It seems some are not even afraid of dying.

Romans 8:38-39

Implementing capital punishment swiftly, justly and with extreme prejudice would be the deterrent.

Are you saying they should still die even if they are converted?

With extreme prejudice?

Are you saying they should still die even if they are converted?

With extreme prejudice?

Every country I have ever visited has laws that ban guns except for genuine usage such as hunting, sport, or for members of the armed forces. And in each of those countries, those with a firearms licence must renew it regularly, be trained especially on its use, prove that they own the gun for genuine purposes, keep the gun in a safe and secure location when not in use, and must take regular training and undergo mental health examinations when they renew their licence.

In every single one of these countries, mass shootings, for all intents and purposes, simply do not occur.

The rest of the world cannot be wrong.

Statistically, here are some countries that are safer than the USA:

South Africa, Niger, Honduras, Nicaragua, Brazil, Armenia, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Guatemala, El Salvador, Algeria, China, Uganda, Mozambique, Cuba, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Jamaica, Tunisia, Bosnia, Rwanda, Ecuador, Peru, Jordan, Sierra Leone, Albania, the UAE, Ghana, the UK, Indonesia, Mongola, Lithuania, Uraguay, Spain, Botswana, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Ireland, Switzerland, Japan, Canada, Austria, Portugal, New Zealand and Iceland.

And that isn't even all of them. But notice, in the list which can be found here, that every single EU country ranks above the United States for safety, and yet nearly all of them have no border controls and allow free movement between them. The EU has a population about 2/3 larger than the population of the United States, yet has only 5,200 homicides in its entirety last year. By contrast, the USA had that many homicides in just California, Texas, Florida and Illinois, which collectively have a population of just 95 million.

That is a homicide ratio of EU to USA of about 1:6. Or put another way, you are 6 times as likely to be murdered in the USA as you are in the EU. Why is that?

Well, the USA experiences the vast majority of its murders via firearms, as you can see in the graph below:



Removing guns makes murder more difficult. This is why countries with strict gun laws, for example like those in the EU, do not have as many murders as the USA does. It's simple physics: firing a projectile from a distance at supersonic speeds is far easier than getting close enough to use a knife or a pillow.

In the EU, guns are incredibly difficult to obtain, and being found with one usually carries a lengthy prison sentence. Yet, our borders are, via car, bus or train, every bit as open as the US's internal state borders are. Our population is greater, and our murder rate is significantly lower.

Guns and the laws surrounding them, are a large part of why this is the case.

If every one had a gun, society would be more dangerous, not peaceful.

Why do you assume this??

Imagine you lived in a town where EVERYONE walking down the street 16 years and older had a pistol strapped to their side... A town where you knew in each and ever home and building there where loaded high powered shotguns and rifles present..

Now would you try to assault someone walking down the street of that town?
would you try and rob a person walking down the street of that town?
Would you ever start an argument with a person walking down the street of that town?
Would you try and sick up one of the businesses in that town?
Would you ever try and burglarize homes in that town?

I think most people would be very polite living in that town and i would be respectful to everyone they passed.. I think crime would be almost unknown in such a town..

Most massacres happen in ""Gun Free"" zone's .. Why? Because the shooter believes he will be the only person with a gun and everyone else will be their victim..

Every country I have ever visited has laws that ban guns except for genuine usage such as hunting, sport, or for members of the armed forces. And in each of those countries, those with a firearms licence must renew it regularly, be trained especially on its use, prove that they own the gun for genuine purposes, keep the gun in a safe and secure location when not in use, and must take regular training and undergo mental health examinations when they renew their licence.

In every single one of these countries, mass shootings, for all intents and purposes, simply do not occur.

The rest of the world cannot be wrong.

Statistically, here are some countries that are safer than the USA:

South Africa, Niger, Honduras, Nicaragua, Brazil, Armenia, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Guatemala, El Salvador, Algeria, China, Uganda, Mozambique, Cuba, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Jamaica, Tunisia, Bosnia, Rwanda, Ecuador, Peru, Jordan, Sierra Leone, Albania, the UAE, Ghana, the UK, Indonesia, Mongola, Lithuania, Uraguay, Spain, Botswana, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Ireland, Switzerland, Japan, Canada, Austria, Portugal, New Zealand and Iceland.

And that isn't even all of them. But notice, in the list which can be found here, that every single EU country ranks above the United States for safety, and yet nearly all of them have no border controls and allow free movement between them. The EU has a population about 2/3 larger than the population of the United States, yet has only 5,200 homicides in its entirety last year. By contrast, the USA had that many homicides in just California, Texas, Florida and Illinois, which collectively have a population of just 95 million.

That is a homicide ratio of EU to USA of about 1:6. Or put another way, you are 6 times as likely to be murdered in the USA as you are in the EU. Why is that?

Well, the USA experiences the vast majority of its murders via firearms, as you can see in the graph below:



Removing guns makes murder more difficult. This is why countries with strict gun laws, for example like those in the EU, do not have as many murders as the USA does. It's simple physics: firing a projectile from a distance at supersonic speeds is far easier than getting close enough to use a knife or a pillow.

In the EU, guns are incredibly difficult to obtain, and being found with one usually carries a lengthy prison sentence. Yet, our borders are, via car, bus or train, every bit as open as the US's internal state borders are. Our population is greater, and our murder rate is significantly lower.

Guns and the laws surrounding them, are a large part of why this is the case.

look no father than the city of Chicago . very strict gun laws, very high murder rate.

Here's my message to my fellow Christians out there.

Don't trust the church. Don't trust evangelicals. Trust NO ONE but God.

Christians, I refuse to be called one myself until YOU get your act together. WE are NOT God's favorites, we are not his "chosen" people, the world does not revolve around America and it certainly does not revolve around US! I am ashamed of and disappointed in you. Prove yourself WORTHY of my trust, and maybe I'll associate with you again. Prove to me that you are pro-life not just because you're against abortion. Prove to me that you care when a pedophile takes a child's innocence. The burden of proof is on YOU!

it's also banging your head against the wall to try to explain to people who want to ban guns and/or pass more gun control laws that CRIMINALS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE LAW. if a wound up, mentally unstable individual wants to do bad things, he/she will find a way.

here is a main problem - the media does not talk about- the side effects of anti-depression drugs, which can trigger violent behavior.

the medical privacy laws that won't allow doctors to contact anyone if they suspect a patient might get violent,

all the fake news , saying that kids are in cages ( lies) , borders are immoral , socialism is great, white people are bad, etc..

all this stupid rhetoric is going to cause people to get more and more wound up.

Any ridicule you receive is well-deserved. Such a condescending opinion shows you are the one who worships political power as you scorn those with differing views.

I think mass shottings in the US started happening more and more since violent video games got popular in the mid to late 90's. There were a lot of popular first-person shooter games where you just run around shooting stuff, and there still are some like Fortnite.

I sense a soap box.....and some very high minded blather to be honest........I suppose that you think you set the standard of what being a Christian is? The above is one of the most hypocritical, selfish, judgmental posts I have seen on this site.....

To be honest.....I want to be identified with JESUS.................

America was formed by violently opposing an oppressive government. This would not have been at all possible without the colonials having firearms.

You talk about hunting or skill shooting or some other silly reason for the Gov to graciously allow you to have a gun. Our founding fathers made that a RIGHT. Understanding that without an armed citizenry there is no real restraint from an oppressive Gov. OR THE CRIMINAL WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LAW.

The worst atrocities in history have been perpetrated by GOVERNMENTS against the people! And one of the 1st things an oppressive government does is disarm the populace. You watch how the situation in Hong Kong plays out. It WILL end with the gov. putting it's boot on the necks of the people because they have no real way to resist.

We have bailed YOUR country out twice in the past 100 yrs. How was it so easy for Hitler to take your whole country after teatime one day?

So instead of bad mouthing and criticizing America, you should be thanking and blessing us, as we CONTINUE to defend YOU and all of Europe.

Why do you assume this??

Imagine you lived in a town where EVERYONE walking down the street 16 years and older had a pistol strapped to their side... A town where you knew in each and ever home and building there where loaded high powered shotguns and rifles present..

Now would you try to assault someone walking down the street of that town?
would you try and rob a person walking down the street of that town?
Would you ever start an argument with a person walking down the street of that town?
Would you try and sick up one of the businesses in that town?
Would you ever try and burglarize homes in that town?

I think most people would be very polite living in that town and i would be respectful to everyone they passed.. I think crime would be almost unknown in such a town..

Most massacres happen in ""Gun Free"" zone's .. Why? Because the shooter believes he will be the only person with a gun and everyone else will be their victim..