Water Baptism-What is in a Name?

There are times when the literal name of Jesus is to be used, and times when scripture references point to His authority. The distinction lies in rightly dividing the Word of truth.

Jesus Himself told us that whatever we ask for in His name He will do:
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” John 14:12-14


The following is by no means an exhaustive list of scriptures that reference the use of the literal name of Jesus:
Luke 10:17 - And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

Phil 2:10 - at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow

1 Cor 1:2 - called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

Acts 16:18 - I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her

Acts 8:12 – when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized

Acts 4:10 - Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Acts 3:6 - Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

I gladly accept your apology.
There is certainly no reason to get angry with one another. Each has the ability to accept or reject another's biblical understanding.
I share what I see in the Word out of genuine brotherly love.
It is not a matter of having to be right, it is a matter of searching for and finding the truth in God's Word.

Many in Protestant churches do not hold to the erroneous beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. However, surprisingly the Catholic Church considers them to be their brothers and sisters. They see the Protestant churches use of their modified version of using titles rather than the name of Jesus in water baptism as being what brings them into unity as the family of God.

Vatican City, Jan 25, 2018 / 10:51 am (CNA/EWTN News).- At an ecumenical Vespers service Thursday, Pope Francis told members of several Christian communities that the grace of Baptism creates a unity in the family of God.

Even when differences separate us, we can recognize that we have the same Baptism, and we belong “to the same family of brothers and sisters loved by the one Father,” the Pope said Jan. 25.

I believe when the Protestant movement protested that they did not protest enough.

For the Bible plainly states that everything we do in word and in deed do all in the name of Jesus, so why would they use the titles, and Jesus created all things, came in the flesh, and dwells in the saints, which He said He is the Comforter standing with them, and will soon be in them.

Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans, were all baptized in the name of Jesus, and those baptized unto John's baptism had to be baptized in Jesus' name.

When Peter preached Acts 2:38 he said it is for them, and their children, and those in the future, even as many as the Lord our God shall call, which is the whole history of the Church.

Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

What are they afraid of, and denomination wins out a lot that they believe them, as they lay out the blueprint, and foundation, of what they should believe, and what is strange is many believe it even if it contradicts scriptures that are plain to understand, and red flags do not come up which they should.

It is obvious that baptism is in Jesus' name, so why can't they see that, and why don't they want to believe it.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

A lot of people would do better if they did not go to a Church, but read the word of God first, and get the understanding of the Bible first, and then go to a Church that operates accordingly.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, are titles, and not names, and it states baptize in the name singular, which means all 3 positions have the name Jesus.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, are the 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles.

Father- parent of the saint.

Son- God's visible relationship to the saints.

Holy Ghost- God's invisible relationship to the saints.

God's name identifies His character, and His blessings towards us.

In the Old Testament He revealed the name Jehovah which represents physical deliverance.

And in the New Testament He revealed the name Jesus which represents spiritual deliverance.

The Bible says that Jesus is the name above all names, not only in this world, but in the world to come.

Luke says straight out that remission of sins, baptism, should be preached in Jesus' name, like Peter said remission of sin, baptism, should be preached in Jesus' name.

Why would Luke and Matthew say 2 different things, but they are not, for Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

And speaking of taking on the name of Jesus, the Father's name is Jesus, and the Son inherited the name from the Father.

For the prophet Agur asked, what is His name, the Father, and what is His Son's name, if you can tell, which means that the Father and Son would have the same name.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Which the Father said that He would reveal a new name to the Jews, and speak to them, which they already knew the name Jehovah.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Which Jesus said the works He speaks are not His own, but the Father that dwells in Him, He does the works, and speaks to them through the Son.

Which Jesus said to Philip if he has seen Him, then he has seen the Father.

Which contrary to what some people believe the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus, who is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, which if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

There is one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne.

Which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus is at the right hand of God.

God's right hand represents, power, salvation, and wisdom.

Jesus said all power is given unto Me in heaven and earth.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, which the man Christ Jesus is our Savior, for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, but no man is sinless, so God manifest Himself in flesh, and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.

David said, the LORD said unto my Lord, sit on my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

For the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered, and when they are conquered, become His footstool, then the Son shall submit to God, that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand, for He is the mediator between God and people, until His enemies are conquered, and the saints are with Him, then the Son shall submit to God, shall stop exercising the throne of power, stop being at the right hand of God, that God may be all in all.

Which God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints until His role is complete, then the Son shall stop being at the right hand of God.

Jesus does not sit next to the Father in heaven, but Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven, for God only needs one visible manifestation of Himself for His visible relationship to the saints forever.

And when God appeared to Abraham in flesh there was not 3 manifestations, but one, and when God was manifest in flesh there was not 3 manifestations, but one, and in heaven there will not be 3 manifestations, or 2 manifestations, but one.

Have you searched the old testament. It is the foundation of water baptism spoken of in John 3:25-26. A ceremonial law as a shadow .Can't judge shadows .It would be hard enough to try and catch one.

I can you wet. Water evaporates.

To baptize in the authority of God or name is to come under the shower of His blessing, the gospel .

2 My doctrine / gospel shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Yes it is better to obey then sacrifice using water rather than name (authority). We are baptized in a name as a authority .Not water that is used to represent an authority

It might do you some good to study the use of water in the scriptures and compare the spiritual unseen understanding to the same .or faith to faith .If you do not mix faith in what you do see or hear you will miss the understanding you could of received.

Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:


Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

The key to understanding parables below

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen,(water) but at the things which are not seen: (Spirit) for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You ever get a red X from someone who is so theologically off that you taken it as a badge of honor?

Jesus is the name of the Father:

"And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them." John 17:26

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55 But he [Stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God,
and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 1:3
Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne
of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews 8:1

Simply we follow the scripture as it is, not because of what RCC says but what the scripture say If you believe the Book of Matthew is genuine scripture then believe in it's entirety. "In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost"

All scripture has to be studied to see what was being conveyed by Jesus words. Every recorded water baptism was administered in the name of Jesus. Knowing this confirms what name Jesus was referring to in Matthew's account. Otherwise, we would see at least 2 or 3 witnesses where the titles were used.

The historical records clearly show Jesus' name was used up until 325 a.d. when the Roman Empire leaders made the change. The Word itself says when considering the "common salvation" we are to search out what the apostles did. (Jude 3) I believe it is essential to follow the examples the apostles provided in the four recorded examples rather than follow a man-made tradition.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, God and the man Christ Jesus, and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God which He laid down His life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood.

The Bible says that there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior, for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh, which God reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.

There is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

Which Jesus said to Philip if he has seen Him then He has seen the Father, and the words that He speaks are not His own, but the Father that dwells in Him, He does the works.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation, which God brought out the Jews from Egypt with a mighty right hand.

Jesus is not sitting next to the Father on a throne of His own, but God's right hand is a position of power, and authority.

Jesus is the beginning of creation, and the firstborn among the creatures, for it was all made for the man Christ Jesus, and all those who follow Jesus, and Jesus is the first plan God had to be manifest in flesh before He started creation, and without that plan to come in the future in flesh God would of not created anything that He created.

Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven and earth, and He is the head of all principality, power, and authority.

David said the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

So Jesus at the right hand is a temporary position when His enemies are conquered, and not Jesus sitting next to the Father, for if Jesus was sitting next to the Father it would remain that way, but the position of being at the right hand will cease for the Son.

For the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered, and when they are conquered the Son shall submit to God, even the Father, stop being at the right hand of God that God may be all in all.

All power has been given unto Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is the mediator so He must reign until His enemies are conquered, and when they are conquered, and the saints with Jesus then the Son will stop being at the right hand, exercising the throne of power, that God may be all in all.

God is ruling by His own humanity for the sake of the saints for the man Christ Jesus is the mediator.

The Bible plainly states that there is one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, for the Bible says but to us there is but one God, the Father, and one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

One God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus, which the Son was made according to the flesh, and when the fulness of the time was come God sent forth His Son made of a woman, made under the law.

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God a position of power for the man Christ Jesus is the mediator and must reign until His enemies are conquered.

The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men therefore He must rule, so it is represented as sitting at the right hand of God, exercising the throne of power, not sitting next to the Father on a throne of His own.

If we have seen Jesus we have seen the Father, why would there be 2 images of the Father in heaven next to each other, for God only needs one visible manifestation of Himself to His children.

When Stephen saw Jesus he saw Him standing at the right hand of God, which means He saw Jesus in His glory as God, and also Stephen saw the Son of man, the man Christ Jesus that was glorified.

Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation, which Jesus is the power, and wisdom of God, that brought salvation.

Not sitting on a throne next to the Father, but a position of power.

Strongly disagree ...
there is more than one throne in Heaven.
Jesus is God with God the Father.
Jesus existed before his earthly born body, he is in fact the I Am (Yahweh) of the OT.
Nobody is going to Heaven. When we die our souls sleep until resurrection (either the first or the second).
God is one does not mean one as a numerical value. Many units can be described as being one.
"We are all one together on this great cause." or "My sister and I are one on this matter."

In the gifts of prophecy operated by the Holy Spirit in our worship meetings God clearly differentiates between himself
as Father and between His son Jesus. And vice versa sometimes Jesus speaks to us and makes reference to our Father.
The "oneness" of God is a great mystery and I believe at this stage of our mortal lives beyond us to comprehend.

Now heterosexual marriage is a sacrament instituted by God from the beginning and is spiritual in purpose ...
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:
Two distinct separate persons yet God sees this union as one flesh. Is the husband the wife? Is the wife the husband?
Obviously not. And until recently Christian marriage was seen as one legal unit, not two legal entities.

I can't see that this particular verse has anything to do with your point.

I cannot see how this verse is making any claim that the name of the Father is Jesus.

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3 witnesses

1 John 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The historical shows it was not used until 325a.d. It was used in the Book of Acts to indicate they water baptized in the authority of what Jesus said., i.e. in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

Something from scripture that may be a good reference in this thread would be Isaiah 9:6 where it is declared Jesus, Yeshua, would be called the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Reason and sense tell me that if a person is baptized in the name of Jesus, with understanding, it is in the name of the Father, the Son, ad the Holy Spirit. God bless all.

Hi Waggles.

Yes some two's become one but not with the "sign related to tongues/prophecy" it as a sign stands alone just as it was designed..

There must be a proper dividing or bringing together if we are to walk by faith...

The sign of unbelief as the rejection of . . . "all things written in the law and prophets" and no added oral traditions of men. . . called sola scriptura or what Isaiah 28 refers to as the same . . . . For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: .

God with stammering lips mocking those who mock him shown as falling backward for some . It is not the same as prophecy, the tongue of God .

It points to those who refuse to hear prophecy but rather perform their own traditions and see "no evil" in doing so. God having sent a strong delusion so they can continue in unbelief.

Destroying the foundation of the doctrine of tongues only shows a person is chasing after another kind of authority of unknown wonderments .(the self edifying tool) . No such thing as a "sign gift" as to what the eyes see. We walk by faith the unseen eternal .

Spiritual gifts unseen yes.They work in all believers. But not in those who would what I call make him into a circus seal .. . .Perform a miracle then we will believe. Like. . we are from Missouri seeing is believing. . . who needs faith.

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. . . . . .. (no faith)

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? . . . . .. (no faith)

The biblical record is void of any water baptisms administered using the titles; all were done in Jesus' name. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)