Not By Works

Obedience is righteousness, righteousness is salvation, salvation is not natural.

Neither is a talking donkey, or a whale swallowing a human, or an immaculate birth, or a voice coming from a burning bush, but they still happened.

Salvation IS natural. It's natural to want to be saved from our sins so we don't end up in hell.

What you deem within yourself as love, I see quite clearly as contempt. If I am wrong about this, others will let me know, as will God through prayer.

Neither is a talking donkey, or a whale swallowing a human, or an immaculate birth, or a voice coming from a burning bush, but they still happened.

Salvation IS natural. It's natural to want to be saved from our sins so we don't end up in hell.

Right there you have it folks......and exactly why we believe you peddle that which is false Petey.....

If it is natural then Christ did not die for our sins.

If it is natural then Christ did not die for our sins.

I can deal with heat for my stance and what I dish out....but targeting my two lost children to disease, my handicapped son and calling me the following names is way out of bounds....

You remind me of others, OH,who were they😏 I remember! Nazis,communist,liberals,,pharisees,witch burners, ect.ect.

What you deem within yourself as love, I see quite clearly as contempt. If I am wrong about this, others will let me know, as will God through prayer.

I can share my acceptance of Christ

Still no actual moment of spiritual rebirth mentioned

Is this directed to oncefallen?

Thank you! I will say bye and get some spray for these irritating " no see ums "

I think it's directed at whoever was low enough to pick on his kids..

Matt 11: 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

1 John 5:3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,


The command being light does not mean it is weightless, it still has weight but a weight that you can manage.
Obeying is not natural, it requires your effort.

What He went through is what isn't natural. No human man could take that sort of treatment. But He did it, even though it wasn't natural..

So are you say it's UNnatural for us to not want to be saved?

Eternally save that is.......

What you deem within yourself as love, I see quite clearly as contempt. If I am wrong about this, others will let me know, as will God through prayer.

And Jesus carries that weight.
He always has; He always will.

You should have clicked reply so we could seen who or what you were responding to. Were you responding to Jesus deserves all of the credit for our salvation? Or the pannel that I posted that was a direct quote from 1 Corinthians 2:14 or that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is real and changes people?

Or are you attacking those of us that oppose Calvinism or works based Salvation? Your not comming against me only if, I am who you were responding to, but the Apostle Paul, the Lords disciple to the gentiles as well.

Natural things require no effort, salvation requires effort.

Heb 4:3....
And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world. 4For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.”b 5And again, as He says in the passage above: “They shall never enter My rest.”

6Since, then, it remains for some to enter His rest, and since those who formerly heard the good news did not enter because of their disobedience, 7God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”c

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.