Gun nut films himself walking into WALMART with assault weapon and 100 rounds... Off-duty firefighter stops him...

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Locoponydirtman

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7seasrekeyed said:
right

we should just let everyone wander through stores with guns and ammo

maybe the security guards could hand that out as people enter the store

might become a 'thing'. that way, if anyone does have evil intent, 100 people can turn that around real quick and never mind the innocents like children or toddlers or people afraid of guns who get in the way

that's called collateral damage and everyone gets that

we can't judge anything because that is not our place. so open the jails and let come what may :devilish:
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I actually thought you smarter than silly straw man arguments. And had hoped you had said something of value, when I saw you had quoted me.
Sadly disappointed 😔
 
Dude653

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Locoponydirtman said:
Like to set up straw men and knock them over huh?
Lol,
What this guy did was not smart, it was quite foolish, but he didn't actually commit a crime.
We can't start punishing people for what ever we believe their intent was. We are a nation and a nation must be governed by laws. Not feelings
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Yeah it's called red flags which can lead to more mass shootings when ignored.
 
Bingo

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"We are living in very 'unstable' times, and it has left many with an emotional disturbance
that brings cause of unusual and often bizarre behavior. And, make no mistake, Christians
are not immune to these troubling times."
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calibob

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Many mistakes are made on both ends because many can't tell the difference between kindness and weakness. I'd bet that the nut That shot 46 and killed 26 people in a Texas church, would expect any church members to chase him down and kill him.

Jesus said the time would come to sell our cloaks and buy swords. The time to defend ourselves is when we are attacked.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Dude653 said:
Yeah it's called red flags which can lead to more mass shootings when ignored.
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No one is suggesting to ignore it. but running to the assumption that there is something to punish is non-productive. If you had read anything else that I had posted in this thread you would know that there's a little bit more to what I said. Yes this guy should make restitution for the losses and inconvenience that he caused a bunch of people.
I know this isn't the main subject but I find it kind of ironic that here in America we are quick to jail people, while we are supposed to be the land of the free.
Part of the problem with that mentality is that jail doesn't really fix anything. in fact if you look at the numbers you find the recidivism numbers are absurd and it is a clear indication that imprisonment has provided nothing.
Imprisonment does not provide for restitution to victims, or society, and has not provided any form of deterrent, or rehabilitation.
Back to the subject at hand.
Do we need to investigate this guy and find out if his claims however misguided are his true intent? Sure I would I would investigate him thoroughly to make sure that he is not an actual threat, an proper measures taken if it is found that he is actually a threat.
 
calibob

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Locoponydirtman said:
No one is suggesting to ignore it. but running to the assumption that there is something to punish is non-productive. If you had read anything else that I had posted in this thread you would know that there's a little bit more to what I said. Yes this guy should make restitution for the losses and inconvenience that he caused a bunch of people.
I know this isn't the main subject but I find it kind of ironic that here in America we are quick to jail people, while we are supposed to be the land of the free.
Part of the problem with that mentality is that jail doesn't really fix anything. in fact if you look at the numbers you find the recidivism numbers are absurd and it is a clear indication that imprisonment has provided nothing.
Imprisonment does not provide for restitution to victims, or society, and has not provided any form of deterrent, or rehabilitation.
Back to the subject at hand.
Do we need to investigate this guy and find out if his claims however misguided are his true intent? Sure I would I would investigate him thoroughly to make sure that he is not an actual threat, an proper measures taken if it is found that he is actually a threat.
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Yes the penal system is rediculos. It more a warehouse for antisocials than a rehab for misguided people. Some prisons even use Seroquel to medicate some of the prisoners. It's an addictive, anti-psychotic and they come out crazier than they were when they went and more addicted to boot.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Locoponydirtman said:
I actually thought you smarter than silly straw man arguments. And had hoped you had said something of value, when I saw you had quoted me.
Sadly disappointed 😔
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I'm just smarter than you

that should be enough

I bet you would be looking for the diaper section in walmart if you had been near the dude

what hypocrisy

you are not very good at baiting
 
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Locoponydirtman

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7seasrekeyed said:
I'm just smarter than you

that should be enough

I bet you would be looking for the diaper section in walmart if you had been near the dude

what hypocrisy

you are not very good at baiting
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Personal insults are the final resort of those who have no intelligent argument.
I guess I should not have been disappointed, this is just par for the course with you. Spew vile venomous words lose the intellectual argument and then hurl insults.
I guess this is what passes for exchange of ideas now, shout down those with whom you disagree, and hurl insults.
 
Oncefallen

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7seasrekeyed said:
right

we should just let everyone wander through stores with guns and ammo
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Many states are "open carry" states. The law allows anyone who can legally posses a firearm to carry in public (except where prohibited by statute) without any form of licensing or permit as long as the weapon is not concealed. Here in Colorado it is not uncommon to see someone walking through Walmart with a pistol on their side.

Missouri is an open carry state so technically this guy didn't violate firearms statutes since he wasn't pointing the weapon at anyone or verbally threatening anyone, what he did violate was simple rules of common sense.

31 states allow for unlicensed open carry, 16 states require licensing for open carry.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Oncefallen said:
Many states are "open carry" states. The law allows anyone who can legally posses a firearm to carry in public (except where prohibited by statute) without any form of licensing or permit as long as the weapon is not concealed. Here in Colorado it is not uncommon to see someone walking through Walmart with a pistol on their side.

Missouri is an open carry state so technically this guy didn't violate firearms statutes since he wasn't pointing the weapon at anyone or verbally threatening anyone, what he did violate was simple rules of common sense.

31 states allow for unlicensed open carry, 16 states require licensing for open carry.
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7seasrekeyed

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Oncefallen said:
Many states are "open carry" states. The law allows anyone who can legally posses a firearm to carry in public (except where prohibited by statute) without any form of licensing or permit as long as the weapon is not concealed. Here in Colorado it is not uncommon to see someone walking through Walmart with a pistol on their side.

Missouri is an open carry state so technically this guy didn't violate firearms statutes since he wasn't pointing the weapon at anyone or verbally threatening anyone, what he did violate was simple rules of common sense.

31 states allow for unlicensed open carry, 16 states require licensing for open carry.
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well that changes it up abit

had no idea

the Prime Minister can actually call in the army in Canada....I understand that is not done here...for extreme measures

I'm not afraid of guns, but I am not sure I would be comfortable with people wearing guns and walking around

would have to get used to that...so different then Canada

plus we have 10 provinces and you guys with 50 states...

well thanks for informing me.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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7seasrekeyed said:
I'm just smarter than you

that should be enough

I bet you would be looking for the diaper section in walmart if you had been near the dude

what hypocrisy

you are not very good at baiting
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well then I guess I had a big mouth here

sorry :censored:

but still not good at baiting

ok now I guess I am armed
 
Dude653

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Open carry is like a flashing neon sign saying
SHOOT ME FIRST
Also allow anyone to carry without a permit is just Reckless and irresponsible because permit laws ensure that the wrong people don't get their hands on firearms
 
stonesoffire

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Dude653 said:
Open carry is like a flashing neon sign saying
SHOOT ME FIRST
Also allow anyone to carry without a permit is just Reckless and irresponsible because permit laws ensure that the wrong people don't get their hands on firearms
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That’s what my thought was too. The guy was fortunate that he’s not testing a coffin.
 
notuptome

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Dude653 said:
Open carry is like a flashing neon sign saying
SHOOT ME FIRST
Also allow anyone to carry without a permit is just Reckless and irresponsible because permit laws ensure that the wrong people don't get their hands on firearms
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Not sound reasoning. Criminals choose the soft targets not those that are hardened and able to respond with equal force.

You will make a good subject in the upcoming world government.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
notuptome

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stonesoffire said:
That’s what my thought was too. The guy was fortunate that he’s not testing a coffin.
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Perhaps if you had a broader experience base you could draw a more reasonable conclusion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Dude653 said:
Open carry is like a flashing neon sign saying
SHOOT ME FIRST
Also allow anyone to carry without a permit is just Reckless and irresponsible because permit laws ensure that the wrong people don't get their hands on firearms
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Those are both fallacies.
It has been demonstrated that in areas where civilians are likely to be armed, these cowards do not commit their atrocities.
It is also demonstrated that in such cities as Chicago; permit requirements do not prevent the wrong people from obtaining firearms.
 
stonesoffire

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notuptome said:
Perhaps if you had a broader experience base you could draw a more reasonable conclusion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Assault weapons Roger. Not just a little Beretta that I have.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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stonesoffire said:
Assault weapons Roger. Not just a little Beretta that I have.
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I guess you will have to define assault weapon. That's a pretty contentious matter.
the legal definition as of 1960 as far as I can tell is any semi-automatic firearm with an detachable box magazine which would include your Beretta.
Someone to contend that an AR-15 style rifle is what constitutes an assault weapon,
Man that definition leaves a lot to be desired though. It leaves out a large portion of actual military rifles.
So I hope you will clarify.
 
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