Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

Being "saved?" Does not an "adopted son" make.

John 1:12

oh, I am not attacking and defaming Christians. you judeaizers are not Christians.

you see, Christians believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, and then do our best to carry out the New Testament instructional Scripture to walk out that salvation.

you judeaizers confess Jesus, then toss Him aside in favor of keeping the Law and the Sabbath to " obey" what The Father told Moses at Sinai.

you ignore that gentiles never had the Law commanded to them. you ignore the mount of Transfiguration , where the Father elevates and seperates the words of the Son above the Law ( Moses) and the Prophets ( Elijah ).

you ignore while speaking to the greeks in Athens, Paul did NOT appeal to Scripture ( what we call the Old Testament ).

you just ignore and pretend and assume.

we Christians do not assume anything , we receive the Gift by faith.

oh, I am not attacking and defaming Christians. you judeaizers are not Christians.

you see, Christians believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, and then do our best to carry out the New Testament instructional Scripture to walk out that salvation.

you judeaizers confess Jesus, then toss Him aside in favor of keeping the Law and the Sabbath to " obey" what The Father told Moses at Sinai.

you ignore that gentiles never had the Law commanded to them. you ignore the mount of Transfiguration , where the Father elevates and seperates the words of the Son above the Law ( Moses) and the Prophets ( Elijah ).

you ignore while speaking to the greeks in Athens, Paul did NOT appeal to Scripture ( what we call the Old Testament ).

you just ignore and pretend and assume.

we Christians do not assume anything , we receive the Gift by faith.

Being "saved?" Does not an "adopted son" make.

You’re right. Having faith in Jesus makes one an “adopted son”.

Galatians 3:24 - Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Exodys 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy." God
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath." Jesus, who was God. (Emmanuel=God with us.)

What spirit do you think it is that leads you to be so condescending and vicious in your remarks toward Christians here? Angrily accusing us and condemning those among us who may indeed choose to do as God beckoned, remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy as that day that sets us apart for holy service to our Creator.

Do you notice the context of that edict? "Remember". It wasn't that the fourth commandment came into being on Sinai. It was that the holiness of that day was recalled into the Decalogue of God on Sinai. A reiteration hearkening back to creation from whence our species came into being, when through God's creation and breath, we became a living soul.
And after our labors, as God after his own, we are given a day of respite from our labors in this world. From working in construction, driving trucks, working in a cubicle world in corporate America, and so forth.
A day when we are able to leave the attentions this world requires us to have toward all its drama so as to make a living, to be distracted by inane nonsense called entertainment on large and small screens, a day when we can escape the troubling drama that garners our attentions. And spend a day in prayer, in worship, in communion with our Father.
Why is that so repellent to you? Why would you charge those who respect that gift from God's grace are, "Judaizers", as if that's a curse word, a slur, meant to demean? When our Lord Jesus was born into a Jewish family and practiced the Jewish faith being God in flesh.

The word, remember, in the fourth command means it predates the commands given in Sinai being God made the seventh day His day of rest after he had created all things in the prior six days. God rested from his creative endeavors.
Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
Exodus 31:13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you.

John 17
17 Sanctify them[a] in the truth; your word is truth.
Footnotes:
[a]John 17:17 Greek Set them apart (for holy service to God)

May God bring you peace and open your heart and mind toward His message and peace filled understanding.
God bless and keep you all of your days.

And you are just incapable of actually answering Whispered's post intelligently through the Holy Spirit, so you defame and attack. Very unchrist. Definitely not of HIS Spirit; Love.

The answer is simple. It was covered in the New Testament. Put simply it was for Jew and Gentile to do as they thought fit, and not for Jews to offend Gentiles and visa-versa. Speaking personally I find the dictatorial attitude of those who follow Old Testament Law most offensive. We are all one in Christ Jesus, we are all saved, those of us who believe and accept Jesus as our saviour, even the Jews are saved, despite how despicabley they vilified him. Then they proceeded to kill all the apostles. The rift still exist to this day and it is about time some people learned what it means to be tolerant of each other. Thank you.

Obedience to God is good, when led by the Holy Spirit!

Disobedience to God is bad, This is not led by the Holy Spirit.

The spirit that leads willful disobedience is; Rebelious, defiant, insubordinate, unruly, ungovernable, unmanageable, uncontrollable, turbulent, mutinous, wayward, obstreperous, recalcitrant, refractory, intractable, resistant, dissentient, disaffected, malcontent, etc. etc.

What is important to ask and know for certain is if a mans heart does not migrate towards Gods will/commandments out of desire, but migrates towards a heart attitude that "hates" and "defies" and considers righteous requirements "dictatorial" and offensive then what spirit is leading this attitude? Please be certain. We are seeing some bad fruit from this.

Christ is quoting this:


to Satan, the wisest being ever created, ((OK, you could make an argument vs Solomon)) who at the time does not know who Christ is, and assumes He is only human, and that He can be tempted into sin. Satan fully understands the context.

Deuteronomy 8:3 references this:

wherein the Israelites accuse God of being an evil & capricious murderer. this is "the lie" of Satan. it is the same lie that Satan is by insinuation giving Jesus telling Him to 'prove' Himself by making stones into bread.

Exodus 16 is before the covenant at Sinai and before the law.
the quail makes them sick and many die. the manna, and the concordant first command of a sabbath ever given in the scripture, is a test to see if they will obey Him - which they fail.

then they receive the law, having repeated the lie of Satan, accusing God of evil, and having been proven to be evil themselves.

Matthew 4 is incredibly complex. it's not there to tell you all to put yourselves under the Sinai covenant; it's there to teach you who Christ is and what is His work.


there is a whole lot more going on here than what's being presented. the scripture is not simple.

So God "let 'em make up their own laws!" In essence, handing them a shovel. They "knew" what to do with a "shovel!" DIG! And, so they did! Thinking themselves wise in digging up "new/improved" ways of "pleasing God!" When in all actuality, they were "falling for the SAME LIE, that Eve fell for!"

Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (aka rod of iron)

The "spirit of adoption" cannot DO that, for which it has been CREATED to do.
One is born (again) in "Eyes of FLESH Love", yet, not "born again of the Spirit!

I already told you. It was written - sin was in the world before the law. God spoke before the world was, for He said, "let there be"

you said:



because sin was, before the law was, it is incorrect that sin implies the law.


did you want to talk about the spiritual things in the law and the prophets, which speak of Christ, or did you want to just play the 'us vs them' and the 'everyone else is wrong' game forever?

it's not supposed to be about us. it's supposed to be about Him.

there is way more going on in Matthew 4. it would be far more useful to look into that than to enjoin the blind bitterness all over this thread already. let the tares grow on their own; they don't need our help.

One has to trust their rescuer in order to surrender to him. John 14:1-7 instilled the trust I needed, and the peace of God has been upon me ever since. To God be the glory.

Abiders in the law don’t abide perfectly thus the abiding is moot. Exhibit A is the lack of love displayed all too often from law abiders throughout various posts.

.... The problem/s, therefore the conflict/s, come from ones who have accepted Christ, and the everlasting (not eternal) salvation that is a gift. (To which God placed such a conviction on them, as to bring them to Christ.)

And, to some of these? That is well enough! Therefore there is now no condemnation to those in Christ.

These ones in Christ, however, are not the same, as those who were in Christ, but grew (pressed on) as the "Spirit of God" grew in them. Not allowing, nor being allowed, "traditions of man" to make void the "Spirit of God" that was/is in them.

But, rather "going on to the Father" as they confessed Jesus before men. And, placing themselves UNDER "The AUTHORITY of the order of Melchizadek. Thus not only being, and becoming Priests of Christ! But, also Priests of He who sent Christ! Thus, becoming not only a "brother" with Christ! But, a Priest of the Most High, as well! Thus, like Christ, preaching and teaching "the Kingdom."

Thus making the "many that are called", in their displays of sheer numbers, CONDEMN the "few who are chosen." Because of their unbelief, which causes this lack of understanding which is seen, time and time again. In thread after thread. Post after post.

These "many called", fail "proof after proof", from God (not Christ), in their "candidacy" into this "Forever Holy Priesthood."

Jez trying to explain PH, what's going on.

Let the condemnation/s continue, eh?