What do you believe and why do you believe it?

One would think with his highly educated mind he could defend atheism without slandering a God he does not even believe in?

This is not about education or intelligence, in my humble opinion and experience, as with most atheists they are prideful people who think they know better .... just waiting for one them to create a universe.

what you call 'reality' is nihilism. from your point of view you rejected nothing in favor of nothing, and you are nothing.
the nothing that is the cloud of dust with a temporary EM wave in it that you call your brain, which you think is yourself, was temporarily mixed with a larger cloud of endorphin-nothings when your nothing entertained one idea, which is nothing, than when it was temporarily giving the illusion of perception of a different cloud of nothing that your temporary-nothing-cloud-brain called 'thought' about God.

you are nothing; you are a temporary cloud of dust with a temporary EM wave. you, nothing, are deceived into perceiving the random EM waves in your temporary-nothing-cloud of organic mud as 'rational thought' and the illusion of self your nothing-consciousness tricks itself into thinking exists for some scant decades, glorifies itself, having some illusion of importance and right/wrong and so-called-logic. you're just a temporary mass of temporary organic material with a psychosis, moving a few different types of liquid around in a mass of dust that's been steadily rotting into nothingness since you were born from your mother, another temporary illusion of existence, in reality just another dead lump of mud fooled by the temporary EM waves in its dust-cloud 'mind' into perceiving itself as a person.

i'm not giving any arguments at all.

i'm just describing what humanist, atheistic evolutionary monism is, without the sugar-coating self-grandeur that you found so appealing when you swallowed it.

nothingness. deception. temporary lump of mud, sera & gristle pompous enough to think it has 'life' -- vanity, vanity of vanities.

it doesn't sound so great. dunno why you prefer it.

i thought you'd be smart enough to recognize what your stance really is. maybe you haven't gotten over the horror of the truth of it, or maybe the vanity of your own intellect is just too strong for your mind to allow you to accept it - because revealing your psychosis for what it really is, would be too dangerous to your emotional well-being. evolutionary defense mechanism? or total human depravity. that's devouring yourself. humanism, too vain to see itself destroying itself.



perhaps it really does take a Higher Power to open a mans eyes; he can't do it himself, and he can't be persuaded.
my hope is this: mercy on you from the One who is able to make you see.

spectrox must really be lonely to continually come here, inspite of it being entirely contrary to his ideology, and after years of being shown that he is in error on so many levels.

spectrox, how was your day?

Outside of the Bible what proof or evidence do you know of that God does not exist? calamities misfortunes isn’t enough that’s part of life as we know it for Christians and non Christians.

No sir, your experiences are not even close to what I said.
I didn't go looking until AFTER I was told.
For example, I desired to know how we are made, because some things written sounded and appeared to be more than one thing.
From there, I just followed what I was told by the voice I was hearing.
Mind you, I said hearing. NOT an impression or feeling, but hearing.
Not with my physical ears though.
My guess is, you are not reading this out loud but silently to yourself, and yet you can hear the very words you are reading right now without saying a word verbally.
I am now therefore speaking to you using your own inner voice.
Listen to yourself for a moment as you read.
Can you hear what you are saying?
Yes, you can.
If you were to purposefully speak your name within your self, couldn't you tell me exactly what you heard yourself say?
You might call it just a thought because it was so fast and yet you can quote the very words you heard.
Sometimes it is fast and sometimes it is the speed of normal speech.
Can you explain to me how you are hearing these so-called thoughts?
That is only one voice you can hear.
Now what about when you hear something you know nothing about?
You know your name and you can say it within yourself consciously and purposely, but what is it when you hear something you know nothing about, unexpectedly?
What if you were not the initiator of that so-called thought, but simply a recipient, listening to a teacher giving you instructions?
If you learn to LISTEN, there are other voices we can hear aside from our own.

I could say exactly the same thing about how you framed my position. We are all in this together. You seem to believe very strongly in the afterlife described in The Bible. And yet you did not provide one single convincing argument or one piece of evidence that:
a. an afterlife exists
b. your particular view of an afterlife is the correct one
c. all the other afterlife hypotheses were wrong

The only thing left is Pascal's Wager which is the worst apologetics ever devised.

I don't know that God does not exist. I am not making (and have never made) that strong positive claim. So far, I do not accept the Christian God claim because I am convinced there are flaws in the Bible and flaws in Christian thinking. The burden of proof is on the Christian to demonstrate that their God claim is true or likely true.

I appreciate this. The double slit experiment is very interesting and weird however I don't think it's comparable to supposed God-influenced phenomena which manifest in the real world, e.g. miracles and the effect of prayer.

Exactly. No justice at all. Justice is proportionate. I have good reasons for not having faith in the Christian God. If God was real and was all-knowing, he would clearly understand how important good evidence is to accept the fanciful claims in the Bible. And you talk as if there are no consequences for adopting this worldview, as if it's a gift you just accept. The real cost, is you would have to engage in cognitive dissonance to not accept Islam or Mormonism as well and you would have to deny your humanity and empathy to accept that genocide and slavery are ok. Your God allegedly set up the whole system so he has to take full responsibility for it.

I'm not talking about science or methodological naturalism in that last point. I am asking you to present a formal logic argument. It's easier to look at than endless argument back and forth. Christians have attempted it with the Kalam Cosmological Argument so I am asking you to lay out a brief argument with premises and a conclusion then we won't make avoidable mistakes.

"Jesus is the creator of the universe. You are making a serious error by denying this as it is most definitely contrary to scripture."
I never actually wrote that originally. A Christian wrote it and I made a mistake in my editing on post 698. Sorry about the confusion.

Are you one of those people then?

Just waiting for one of you guys to demonstrate that your God created the Universe. Now what was that order of creation again?

I consider myself a misotheist.


Don't bother asking me any questions about my views because I'm not saying anything more than that.

Misotheism is the "hatred of God" or "hatred of the gods" (from the Greek adjective μισόθεος misotheos "hating the gods" or "God-hating" – a compound of μῖσος "hatred" and θεός "god"). In some varieties of polytheism, it was considered possible to inflict punishment on gods by ceasing to worship them.

I am not nothing. I am something. That something that occupies my physical space will die and eventually decompose. All the evidence I have is that my consciousness, my identity and my personality is in my brain. Once that dies I, in my current form, will cease to exist. There may be an afterlife where we free ourselves from our meat suits to rejoin the spiritual dimension. I am not expecting any reward for participating in this life which one of your early posts wrongly asserted. In fact I don't currently believe in an afterlife because there is no reliable evidence. What reliable evidence do you have for one? If you can't demonstrate that then you are in exactly the same position as me. I don't like it either. I don't relish the prospect of ceasing to exist. If it's no worse than my life now I would rather continue, although the thought of eternal life scares me nearly as much as mortality. Sometimes I appreciate people and animals more because I know they won't last forever. But I am opposed to death and dying and pain. They are horrible. So I believe it is our moral duty to improve the quantity and quality of people's lives and try to be kind to animals. What you've written doesn't bear much resemblance to reality or rational thought.

How do you know any of this? As I've already said, religion (particulalry your one) exploits people's fears around death and dying. Humanism attempts to improve wellbeing and reduce harm. Even Jesus and the Good Samaritan did that from a practical point of view. But your argument seems to be that if you believe The Bible strongly enough you will guarantee escaping from the horror of annihilation, which I find ridiculous. How do you even begin to demonstrate this absurdity?