Not By Works

Aim that falsely at me one more time and don't ever address me again!! Not only are you applying to me falsely because I don't say that or even promote it, you are using it to personally attack e over something I am not peddling......

I have always said HE WILL come when IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO COME.....keep your lying, false applications to yourself man if you cannot help but post crap aimed at me over something I do not say or promote!

Those who do not believe in the Bridegroom could come at any time, are the Unwise Virgins.

We believe in KEEPING READY FOR the Trumpet, and the SHOUT OF THE ARCHANGEL.

The Parable of the TEN VIRGINS is all about the Rapture. I already have my invite in my Heart, to the Wedding of Bridegroom in Heaven.

Well we can go straight to the horses mouth so to speak...

John MacArthur champions Lordship salvation in his book, The Gospel According to Jesus. “No one can come to Christ on any other term” than full commitment (p. 197). In his book, The Parables of the Kingdom, MacArthur writes that “there is a transaction made to purchase salvation, but it’s not with money or good works. The transaction is this: You give up all you have for all He has” (p. 108).

How does one receive salvation according to MacArthur? “You give up all that you are and receive all that He is . . . A person becomes saved when he is willing to abandon everything he has to affirm, that Christ is the Lord of his life” (p. 109).

In complete contradiction of scripture.

@Melach Do not buy this total misapplication of the word of God in this post above........

The word KEEP in the text you cited means to guard/protect from loss or harm, it does not mean remove.....and if you take that logic to the end one must support a split rapture....this too is false.....

Another verse yanked out of context to peddle the imminent return........

hypocrite heretic macarthur. he make fun of entertainment center churches but his own organized youth camp was just that debauchery. strike 1. he says you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved. strike 2. he is a calvinist. strike 3.

he is out

Like I said You choose the WRONG beliefs for the term, "Lordship Salvation". You are not even CLOSE to the my definition or MacArthur's definition of what the actual definition of Lordship Salvation really means.

This is why I choose not to discuss this subject.

Maybe I'm to soft.

I thought I saw something which could have related to him per the same question he always asks.

Oh well

What happens if you are not a virgin😎

So John MacArthur is unable to define lordship salvation?

He wrote a whole book on it.

You have misquoted the reason for his COMMENT, which I have addressed once before HERE. There may be No need for me to expound on that once again, but for those who have a interest in the TRUTH, I will once again comment.




I have NOTICED that those who want to make Dr. MacArthur look bad, they CUT his comments OFF immediately after he said "I think the answer is YES!" Without even giving him the courtesy to explain His answer. A DELIBERATE DOCTORED EDIT, to make Dr. MacArthur look bad.

The Question was "Can a Person be saved after he has already Received the Mark of the Beast?", NO MENTION OF A COMMITMENT TO THE ANTICHRIST. Asked In HIS CONGREGATION, so there is a COMMON element of familiarity with his Doctrinal Position, whereas from an outside source, it would have required a much longer explanation of his Doctrinal Position. Dr. John MacArthur absolutely believes in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of all true Christian Believers, and they will be in Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb, long before the Antichrist at the Mid-Tribulation takes OVER of the Third TEMPLE. When He does, he will declare FROM the Holy of Holies, that everyone must now worship ME and take my Mark, or they will be Beheaded. So the scenario is can a person actually for the FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIFE, receives JESUS as LORD, and be forgiven for taking the MARK, even he never actually WORSHIPED THE ANTICHRIST?

Now let's back up:

Mark 3:28-29 (HCSB)
28 I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme.
29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—


OH MY, YOU HAVE CREATED A SECOND UNFORGIVABLE SIN, and now you have bared false witness, because You falsely Accused him, and I can prove it. The Bible ONLY SAYS THERE IS ONE SIN THAT IS UNFORGIVABLE. We the Church are GONE in the Rapture, "Can a person without heart felt allegiance to the ANTICHRIST, still be saved, even though he took the Mark." AND JOHN SAID "YES", correctly to that Scenario.

You apparently have forgotten that the Holy Spirit is STILL is an Omni-Present Spirit, and STILL is working on the Hearts of people to get them to ACCEPT JESUS AS LORD. HE DID NOT CEASE TO BE OMNI-PRESENT, when the Rapture has HAPPENED. AND HE IS STILL WORKING TO GET THEM who would Believe, SAVED. It says that the Holy Spirit In us is Greater than the one that is in this world. So do you believe the power of the Antichrist, can over rule the HOLY SPIRIT ? ? ? I do not think so.

Revelation 13:15-18 (HCSB)
15 He was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16 And he requires everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast’s name or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom: The one who has understanding must calculate the number of the beast, because it is the number of a man. His number is 666.

Revelation 14:9-11 (HCSB)
9 And a third angel followed them and spoke with a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, [.That is part of the ONLY unforgivable sin, Blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.]
10 he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, which is mixed full strength in the cup of His anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb,
11 and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or anyone who receives the mark of his name.


You on the other hand have FALSELY ACCUSED Dr. John MacArthur, and have Manipulated the Scripture to mean JUST TO RECEIVE the MARK is a SECOND UNFORGIVABLE SIN. That and makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR that they MUST worship the Antichrist first, and then take the Mark to be GUILTY of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. That is NOT the question that Dr. MacArthur said YES to. On top of it all, You added, or subtracted from the WORD OF GOD, while, Dr. MacArthur comments only concurred with the WORD of GOD.

Let me guess what Church you come from? I guess it is either Pentecostal or Charismatic. If so, could your personal vendetta against his Teachings have anything to do with his book called: THE CHARISMATICS ? ? ?


So how do I picture the Antichrist when he takes over the Temple, and then enforcing his new law that everyone will WORSHIP him ? ? ?

Perhaps like this:

You owe me an open apology dude......You aimed a verse at me and by default accused me by said verse of something I do not espouse and or say.

YES, AND I HAVE IT UNDERLINED IN SEVERAL COLORED HIGH LIGHTERS ALL OVER THE BOOK.

In a NUT SHELL, Here is the TRUE DEFINITION of LORDSHIP SALVATION:

One who believes in the Literal Interpretation of Romans 10:9-10.

Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART [.Human Spirit.]"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.It has to be a true Confession in your Human Spirit, or it is Only a PROFESSION,]
with your mouth Jesus as Lord, [.which means MASTER, whom you Willingly and Loving submit to,]
and believe in your heart [.Not your intellect, but Believe from the bottom of your Human Spirit.]
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [.a free Gift from GOD, after receiving HIM as LORD, not a work from self. 1 Cor. 12:3.]
10 for with the heart a person believes, [.Not your intellect, but with the born again Human Spirit,]
resulting in righteousness [.being made right with God, but solely by the work Christ did on the cross.],
and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. [.HE becomes your SAVIOR after one has received HIM as LORD, meaning Master, by the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.]


Now that is the TRUE Core Meaning of the expression LORDSHIP SALVATION. All the rest of the Gobbling Gook that you have heard other people say, has been added to sour the true meaning of the Expression out of the minds of SUSPICIOUS Men who do not know what we actually believe, or out of the Minds of Demons.

I apologize, because obviously you took it the Wrong Way.

I am not sure what you mean by that. The only people that could not be virgins, would be cults, or those enslaved by an non-believing theology such as atheism. The Parable of the 10 Virgins, the unwise virgins are those who have not been born again, which is the inner, personel, LOVE relationship with the LORD Jesus Christ. Some of those unwise virgins will eventually become born again, such as me. I was not born again, until I was 29 years of ago. I was involved in Lutheran Church most of my life prior to that, and thought I was real Christian, just because I sat on a Pew, regularly. I guess that someone should have told me, "Sitting on a Pew does not make you a real Christian, anymore than sitting in a Garage will make me a real Car."

Picture yourself at the airport check in counter, Jesus is behind the counter (God owns the airline btw) if Jesus says you cannot board the plane, then you aint boarding the plane. Its as simple as that. You have to be on the manifest. Redemption gets you on the manifest, not how good a person you are.

I am not the only one that took it as a direct strike and accusation directed at me.....

Anyway....accepted and done...peace

Adding to the meaning.... making a promise of submission is not part of being saved!

Yes that is what I meant...and once you are on the manifest it is secure because of the manifest holder and keeper!