Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

Clearly not what the scripture says.

Rom 5:
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life.


What it means: Christ died for sinners/ while we were still enemies/ the whole world/ all men and not just some. By Christ's one act, the enemies of God (not some but all) were reconciled to God.

Do you know how to read? if you don't then nothing i'll write will make any difference because i've written tons of it in this thread alone.

You didn’t answer a simple yes or no question.

The "WE" in those verses above are the ones who are born again.
I'm thinking you NEED to closely review this conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus:

John 3 New King James Version (NKJV)
The New Birth
3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.

I have done that 1000x already but it seems you don't like what i said.

I'm the one who asked how children are saved because my proposal is, in the same manner the children are saved, i'm also saved.

Now, do the children have to believe Christ died for their sins?

To your question, i don't believe God murders children or God is cruel. People die because sin entered the world and therefore death.

Rom 5:
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

How does 'we' represent the believers (born again) when it clearly says sinners/ungodly/world/everyone?

Paul is even saying "Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this:While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

You are saying Christ died for believers. Wrong

Please do NOT put words in my mouth. I did not say Christ died for only believers.

It's as if Christ paid for EVERY room in a massive Ritz Carlton Hotel. It's paid for. Done deal. IT IS FINISHED!
And everyone is invited to come and live in that awesome Hotel. But only SOME accept and receive His offer. It DOESN'T mean that He didn't pay for those other rooms that were available to those who didn't come.

THIS parable explains It:

The Parable of the Great Supper
15 Now when one of those who sat at the table with Him heard these things, he said to Him, “Blessed is he who shall eat [e]bread in the kingdom of God!”

16 Then He said to him, “A certain man gave a great supper and invited many, 17 and sent his servant at supper time to say to those who were invited, ‘Come, for all things are now ready.’ 18 But they all with one accord began to make excuses. The first said to him, ‘I have bought a piece of ground, and I must go and see it. I ask you to have me excused.’ 19 And another said, ‘I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I am going to test them. I ask you to have me excused.’ 20 Still another said, ‘I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.’ 21 So that servant came and reported these things to his master. Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in here the poor and the [f]maimed and the lame and the blind.’ 22 And the servant said, ‘Master, it is done as you commanded, and still there is room.’ 23 Then the master said to the servant, ‘Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say to you that none of those men who were invited shall taste my supper.’ ”

There were a lot of Pharisees and Sadducees and others who were asking a lot of question, and some of them the right questions.
There problem: they walked away when Jesus provided the answers.

If Adam did not invite people in these rooms of condemnation (death), why do you think Christ is inviting people in these rooms of salvation (life)?
It doesn't say that:

Rom 5:18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Did Adam invite anyone? No
Just as one act resulted in condemnation for all, also one act resulted in life for all. I don't see anywhere people being invited.

In the same manner you were a sinner in your mothers womb, you were also justified in your mothers womb. This is what it means.

Ok, i hear you. Christ died for all men, that's what you mean. My question is simple, what is the result of Christ's death for all men? Is it justification and life for some men or justification and life for all men?

How do children get in these rooms when they don't even know what an invitation is?

And Christ says, if you don't change and become like these children, you will not see the rooms.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall with you, and that you think if you wear people down and get the last post, somehow you win.

ARE YOU, RIGHT NOW, A BORN AGAIN, NEW CREATION, WITH A NEW HEART, CHILD OF GOD?

No yes buts please! Yes or no?

yes.

Not about winning or losing. I want to know why you think 'all men' doesn't mean all men.

You can have the last post if you want.

Progress!!! Praise Jesus!

Now. Is EVERYONE, RIGHT NOW a born again Child of God?

Those that do not abide in Christ are obviously separated from the love of Christ.

The difference between me and you; you believe people (believers) are walking in the love of Christ while i believe people (unbelievers) are walking out of the love of Christ. Huge difference.

DOH!!! We were doing so good with the yes or no.


Have all the people that are NOT walking in the love of Christ EVER been born again? Yes or no please

Yes

Thank you for your honesty. I don’t think I need to converse with you any more on this issue. I’ll post my thoughts on children saved in a little while.

What’s wrong with this sentence besides everything?