Not By Works

You REALLY NEED TO DELETE that EG quote at the Bottom of your Message, it is Getting Annoying in a BAD WAY. It Discourages us from even READING YOUR POSTS.

Use a SMALL Picture instead to Convey your message, LIKE:

I had to hide all signatures., its sad, but when he is last to post, it shows his name with the sig of my post,

I had to hide all signatures., its sad, but when he is last to post, it shows his name with the sig of my post,

I will fix it out of respect for you

The easy-believism OSAS people are actually closet gnostics, without even knowing it.

The way I have seen them twist 1 Cor. 6:9-11 is that since they are now believers, they were washed, but obviously they didn't stop doing those things. That would be works salvation right? So they are made POSITIONALLY righteous, while in fact they remain UNRIGHTEOUS.

Let me assure you, God is not playing games.

You mix two teachings together and you got yourself last days apostasy:
1. You can't repent
2. You are eternally secure in your sins.

The facts are they are quick to backtrack when you point out the obvious conclusions of their beliefs. Things such as:
"God disciplines and chastises people. We are not teaching you can just live in sin and be saved"
"A true believer will eventually make a break through"

These usually come out only when they are on the backfoot. Before this, they were saying what Charles said in the video I posted, that yes, you can live in all kinds of sin, and you can never out sin God's grace. What do you think the viewer at home is going to think? I let you decide.

My question again is: WHEN. WHEN does the sin stop? And Neither Macabeus, myself, or any other person is claiming to be sinlessly perfect. But again, there are willful sins, and unwillful sins, as I have demonstrated on about page 4000 if I recall correctly on this thread. Obviously the clear verses from Numbers were rejected by the OSAS advocates in favor of their "Its all sin, you've broken one law thats it. You've stolen now you might as well commit adultery as well".

Its true that if you have sinned once, you are a lawbreaker, and no amount of returning to obedience will change that fact. This does not mean: All sin is equal, and everyone who has studied the Tanakh knows this, the punishments for sins were different. Which is why even in the New Testament John talks about sins UNTO DEATH, that you should not pray for, these would be open, willful, rebellion against God.

Jesus says to look upon a woman to lust after her is adultery in your heart. This is true. But let me ask you, which is worse, lusting after someone or actually commiting adultery? Anyone with half a brain knows, commiting adultery is way worse, because you are a homewrecker, destroying someone's life, whereas with lusting you are only destroying yourself.

So what sins must stop? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21. The Apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of God's Spirit says it loud and clear, be not deceived, people who are practicing these things WILL NOT inherit the kingdom. Surprisingly, the things that Paul says "be not deceived" are the ones that the devil is actively deceiving people on. This in itself is proof of the Bible being divinely inspired.

Don't let anyone fool you into thinking you will be saved and not inherit the kingdom, the kingdom is where the KING is. If you are not with the KING, you are in the lake of FIRE.

I had to hide all signatures., its sad, but when he is last to post, it shows his name with the sig of my post,

Romans, zwerchau ?

im also ignorant of this. how can it be were if they are still present tense doing it in the flesh?

notice how the cross protects him?

@TooFastTurtle no one here would ever claim there is some license given to sin..... if there was a license it would mean permission...

then God wouldn't chasten His own children....


But God chastens EVERY one of His children when we sin... in order for correction so that we are more fruitful and He can be pleased (does not change the fact His children are His and He will not lose one)

The Spirit is born of GOD, does not sin, is eternally sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ

The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is not subject unto the law of God, is weak and contrary to the Spirit....

Yeah it’s dead, which means it only has the dominion that we give it. So it shouldn’t be your pilot.

You should apologize for calling me a liar. I quoted you, you said I lied, and I provided documentation that it was no lie.

You said 1 Cor. 6:9-11still allows for unrepentant fornicators and idolaters to be kingdom folk.

Paul would disagree with you

I suppose it’s your body that won’t inherit, and your spirit can’t sin, so your body can sin all it wants, ala @ Budman? I hope not

You know...they accused Paul of the same BS........

I am really starting to appreciate the the word tragic and the full depth of its meaning.

I would really like people that hold to this tragedy to tell Jesus that He needs to go back on the cross........ because that is what you have written here.

Now I hear The BeeGees in my head. Thanks, UG.. lol

I can put up with your Non-Conservative Position, far better than the new guy that just came in and wanted to start the ARMENIAN vs. CALVINIST severe argument all over again. I guess needed HIS ARGUMENATIVE ATTITUDE to remind me how bad it can be: #107,131 . You see when I first discovered online Bible Discussion Groups, I landed on TOPIX supposed Christian Forum, which has NO supervision, and No Rules, and ANY THING GOES. It was quickly was taken over by ATHEISTS and just turned into a NASTY NAME CALLING MESS. So needless to say, I LEFT Them FAR BEHIND, a couple months in. I still think you are wrong, and wish you could see the light, and worry about you making the Rapture, but I can put up with your Opposite Point of view, far Better than TooFastTurtle .

The Spirit is born of GOD, does not sin, is eternally sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ

The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is not subject unto the law of God, is weak and contrary to the Spirit....

I am really starting to appreciate the the word tragic and the full depth of its meaning.

I would really like people that hold to this tragedy to tell Jesus that He needs to go back on the cross........ because that is what you have written here.

... Sums it up nicely!

You know...they accused Paul of the same BS........